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Tony Blair Says Staying In The Eu Must Remain An Option
The former prime minister issues a rallying cry to Remain voters, urging them to "prise apart the alliance which gave us Brexit".
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Warmongering ... again?
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As a remainiac could i just say that I do not wish to be associated with the remarks of the former Labour leader, Mr Blair. Many thanks.
15:35 Fri 28th Oct 2016
Naomi - I know, I'm trying not to get too giddy about it ....!!
Blair is nothing if not an egotist, and from the side lines, he will see that Labour is in a horrendous mess, and needs a new leader - correct.
In his mind he will see that he has a very important part to play in that process - incorrect.
Blair is nothing if not an egotist, and from the side lines, he will see that Labour is in a horrendous mess, and needs a new leader - correct.
In his mind he will see that he has a very important part to play in that process - incorrect.
People seem to eager these days to portray the EU as some enemy to be defeated -- not on the battelfield, of course, but certainly at the negotiating table. It should not be this way.
But this shouldn't really be about that. If our message to the EU is that we will leave come what may, might they not in turn regard this as an excuse to impose punitive measures? It's not like they would have anything to lose, or at least not nearly as much as we would. So you could end up with a rotten deal indeed. Better, then, to leave options open.
I stress that I don't expect this to be an option we'll take up -- it would presumably have to be a pretty rotten deal indeed -- but to imply that nothing would stop the UK from leaving is fairly incredible.
Most likely, though, this is a purely hypothetical discussion. If the UK is still a member of the EU by 2020 I'd be amazed.
But this shouldn't really be about that. If our message to the EU is that we will leave come what may, might they not in turn regard this as an excuse to impose punitive measures? It's not like they would have anything to lose, or at least not nearly as much as we would. So you could end up with a rotten deal indeed. Better, then, to leave options open.
I stress that I don't expect this to be an option we'll take up -- it would presumably have to be a pretty rotten deal indeed -- but to imply that nothing would stop the UK from leaving is fairly incredible.
Most likely, though, this is a purely hypothetical discussion. If the UK is still a member of the EU by 2020 I'd be amazed.
Blair appears to be bullying for another war, he does have form on this.
Only this time it will be a civil war. Well bring it on Tony I trust you will lead from the front so I'll see you there.
//People seem to eager these days to portray the EU as some enemy to be defeated//
Well that would be becuase of the likes of Junker I would wager.
Only this time it will be a civil war. Well bring it on Tony I trust you will lead from the front so I'll see you there.
//People seem to eager these days to portray the EU as some enemy to be defeated//
Well that would be becuase of the likes of Junker I would wager.
Why must it remain an option?
The electorate was granted a referendum and the Prime Minister at the time said the result would be respected and enacted. There were no caveats to the question (e.g. “subject to a satisfactory deal; provided it’s not too difficult, etc.). There were no such provisos in the question I voted on. What has changed since June 23rd?
Having inflicted enough damage on thes country in his terms of office methinks Mr Blair would be better off keeping a low profile and staying at home with his wife to count their houses and money.
“if the deal on the table for leaving the EU is rotten, it might be better to stay after all.”
We’re going over old ground, Jim. But clearly that is not an option. All the Euromaniacs have to do is to cobble together an unacceptable deal and, Bingo, they keep our £10bn a year, we keep accepting uncontrolled migration, remain subservient to a foreign court and retain the inability to make our own laws. That was not the deal.
I dare say some sort of deal will be cobbled together to satisfy the needs of Mercedes-Benz and BMW but personally I am of the firm belief that no deal at all is the preferable option. The “Single Market” is certainly not all it’s cracked up to be and unrestricted access to it is not the Utopian dream that is being suggested in some quarters. It’s certainly not worth the price of being subservient to any of the EU’s pernicious institutions.
Far too much emphasis is being placed on the acceptability of any such “deal”. The country voted to leave and the risks and advantages of leaving were clearly laid out in the months running up to the vote. Nothing has changed since 23rd June except a lot of posturing by politicians too blind to see the end of their noses. The deal doesn’t matter that much and Mr Blair’s opinion matters even less.
The electorate was granted a referendum and the Prime Minister at the time said the result would be respected and enacted. There were no caveats to the question (e.g. “subject to a satisfactory deal; provided it’s not too difficult, etc.). There were no such provisos in the question I voted on. What has changed since June 23rd?
Having inflicted enough damage on thes country in his terms of office methinks Mr Blair would be better off keeping a low profile and staying at home with his wife to count their houses and money.
“if the deal on the table for leaving the EU is rotten, it might be better to stay after all.”
We’re going over old ground, Jim. But clearly that is not an option. All the Euromaniacs have to do is to cobble together an unacceptable deal and, Bingo, they keep our £10bn a year, we keep accepting uncontrolled migration, remain subservient to a foreign court and retain the inability to make our own laws. That was not the deal.
I dare say some sort of deal will be cobbled together to satisfy the needs of Mercedes-Benz and BMW but personally I am of the firm belief that no deal at all is the preferable option. The “Single Market” is certainly not all it’s cracked up to be and unrestricted access to it is not the Utopian dream that is being suggested in some quarters. It’s certainly not worth the price of being subservient to any of the EU’s pernicious institutions.
Far too much emphasis is being placed on the acceptability of any such “deal”. The country voted to leave and the risks and advantages of leaving were clearly laid out in the months running up to the vote. Nothing has changed since 23rd June except a lot of posturing by politicians too blind to see the end of their noses. The deal doesn’t matter that much and Mr Blair’s opinion matters even less.
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