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Slight Update To Earlier Brexit Comment.
I would have thought Brexit was more about astute negotiations and compromises rather than cunning plans.
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For more on marking an answer as the "Best Answer", please visit our FAQ.As long as we don't have to pay as much into the EU just to be in the single market. That was the suggestion during the referendum.
I think it was why Be out of the club but in the single market while paying the same as before but with no say.
I am all for staying in the single market if it is beneficial but not at any cost.
I think it was why Be out of the club but in the single market while paying the same as before but with no say.
I am all for staying in the single market if it is beneficial but not at any cost.
Compromise ?
One either has free movement imposed on one, or one doesn't.
Still, if true, it is a good sign that the other side of the table realise that, continually insisting that a prime reason for us leaving must remain in any future trade agreement, thus ruining the possibility of any such agreement, is not something worth continuing with simply to save politicians' faces.
One either has free movement imposed on one, or one doesn't.
Still, if true, it is a good sign that the other side of the table realise that, continually insisting that a prime reason for us leaving must remain in any future trade agreement, thus ruining the possibility of any such agreement, is not something worth continuing with simply to save politicians' faces.
And once again (hopefully for the final time) the negotiations are not about our leaving. They are about our relationship with what remains of the EU after we have left. Our leaving is not conditional on the outcome of these negotiations and if they were not successful, not concluded because of prevarication by our EU partners or even if they were not to take place at all, we would still leave.
There will be complexities and simplifications. That is what I think is about negotiation. I don't think we will get everything we want and I don't think the EU will make us take whatever they are or are not prepared to give.
As has been said numerous times. We leaving has nothing to do with our future relationship with the EU. Both sides should make the most of it. Not put barriers in the way.
As has been said numerous times. We leaving has nothing to do with our future relationship with the EU. Both sides should make the most of it. Not put barriers in the way.
Cassa, 'We leaving has nothing to do with our future relationship with the EU'
I think you need to do a little research if that's what you believe, because quite the reverse is true.
Gromit, I'm not sure where you (or NJ) get the idea that we can just trigger article 50 after the recent ruling that parliament has to vote on it. The latest opinion of some is that it's even more complex than that:
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Both of your comments are quite worrying if they display your understanding of the EU divorce process.
I think you need to do a little research if that's what you believe, because quite the reverse is true.
Gromit, I'm not sure where you (or NJ) get the idea that we can just trigger article 50 after the recent ruling that parliament has to vote on it. The latest opinion of some is that it's even more complex than that:
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Both of your comments are quite worrying if they display your understanding of the EU divorce process.
Symantecs of not expressing myself better rather than not knowing Zacs.
Leaving has nothing to do with leaving in as much as we can leave whatever happens.
I usually type reems of stuff to say one thing. Obviously trying to squish it down doesn't work for me lol as it I should too literal for some people.
We could trigger a50 tomorrow. All it would need would be for parliament to sort their backsides out.
Leaving has nothing to do with leaving in as much as we can leave whatever happens.
I usually type reems of stuff to say one thing. Obviously trying to squish it down doesn't work for me lol as it I should too literal for some people.
We could trigger a50 tomorrow. All it would need would be for parliament to sort their backsides out.
.// No half as worrying as liberal remonaer judges comments.//
jesus what is wrong wid autocomplete these days ?
later ,
// Beginning the process would not change the law.”// Leddy Hale
Clear or what ?
so New Judge is not right - he has forgotten the Law side ( again ) and doubtless not for the last time
jesus what is wrong wid autocomplete these days ?
later ,
// Beginning the process would not change the law.”// Leddy Hale
Clear or what ?
so New Judge is not right - he has forgotten the Law side ( again ) and doubtless not for the last time
“Gromit, I'm not sure where you (or NJ) get the idea that we can just trigger article 50 after the recent ruling that parliament has to vote on it. “
“Both of your comments are quite worrying if they display your understanding of the EU divorce process.”
Gromit (I think) and I (certainly) were talking of the relationship between leaving and negotiating our future relationship, not our own domestic constitutional problems which currently prevent us invoking A50. When they are overcome we can Trigger A50 whenever we like and that, and our subsequent leaving, is not dependent on the outcome of the negotiations.
In fact the EU has (quite properly) said that it will not enter into “divorce” proceedings until A50 has been triggered. This turns any debate among politicians which may display our “red lines” for negotiation the same as showing your hand at poker.
“I'm holding out for being able to use all the facilities without paying the subscription or following any of the rules.”
Good luck with that, Ludwig. That’s not what I’m expecting or even hoping for. There is too much interdependency voiced about the negotiations. The referendum question was “Do you want to Remain or Leave the EU”. There was nothing about “providing we can get a good deal”. I know I cannot speak for all “Leave” voters but I answered that question as it was put. I voted to leave lock, stock and barrel. I do not expect the UK to retain any advantages that might be evident from EU membership unless it is mutually agreed. But I do not want, as part of any agreement, the UK to be constrained by the EU or any of its institutions in any way whatsoever. I do not want any deal concluded that makes the UK subject to any EU rules, regulations or laws. In particular I do not want to see any compromise on free movement of people, no compromise on the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice over UK affairs and no compromise on the UK’s ability to form trading agreements with whomsoever it pleases. The maximum price that will be paid for that right is to revert to the position held by the other 160 or so independent nations who are not EU members. Many of them manage to get by quite successfully without EU membership or influence and so will the UK.
“Both of your comments are quite worrying if they display your understanding of the EU divorce process.”
Gromit (I think) and I (certainly) were talking of the relationship between leaving and negotiating our future relationship, not our own domestic constitutional problems which currently prevent us invoking A50. When they are overcome we can Trigger A50 whenever we like and that, and our subsequent leaving, is not dependent on the outcome of the negotiations.
In fact the EU has (quite properly) said that it will not enter into “divorce” proceedings until A50 has been triggered. This turns any debate among politicians which may display our “red lines” for negotiation the same as showing your hand at poker.
“I'm holding out for being able to use all the facilities without paying the subscription or following any of the rules.”
Good luck with that, Ludwig. That’s not what I’m expecting or even hoping for. There is too much interdependency voiced about the negotiations. The referendum question was “Do you want to Remain or Leave the EU”. There was nothing about “providing we can get a good deal”. I know I cannot speak for all “Leave” voters but I answered that question as it was put. I voted to leave lock, stock and barrel. I do not expect the UK to retain any advantages that might be evident from EU membership unless it is mutually agreed. But I do not want, as part of any agreement, the UK to be constrained by the EU or any of its institutions in any way whatsoever. I do not want any deal concluded that makes the UK subject to any EU rules, regulations or laws. In particular I do not want to see any compromise on free movement of people, no compromise on the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice over UK affairs and no compromise on the UK’s ability to form trading agreements with whomsoever it pleases. The maximum price that will be paid for that right is to revert to the position held by the other 160 or so independent nations who are not EU members. Many of them manage to get by quite successfully without EU membership or influence and so will the UK.
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