Remain Supporter Recants.

[Togo]

Neil Ferguson appears to have woken up, how long before more start to rub the sleep from their eyes?
"I have had a kind of awakening. Brexit woke me up and reminded me I needed to pay attention to what the non elite majority of voters were thinking. If those of us who were part of the elite spent more time in pubs in provincial England and Wales we would have heard"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4006324/I-wrong-Brexit-Britain-s-influential-historian-Niall-Ferguson-says-mistake-backing-Remain-campaign-says-EU-deserved-result.html

[cassa333]

One down 5 million to go lol

[mikey4444]

I wonder how many others are having second thoughts and now regret being taken into by the xenophobia put about by Farage and Co ?

[naomi24]

Mikey, I think you've got the wrong end of the stick - again.

[mikey4444]

It appears that I misread the link Togo...apologies to you.

[ToraToraTora]

not uncommon, in the recent Richmond Bye election, widely trumpeted as a leave/Remain poll, there was a 13 point swing to leave. I applaud the honesty of NF and urge others to start looking at the situation in a similar vain rather than taking it personally like so many seem to have done.

[Old_Geezer]

I expect when I find any evidence of xenophobia from Farage I shall consider it. Meanwhile I don't believe xenophobia has ever influenced any decision of mine.

[mikey4444]

TTT...so why did Goldsmith lose the by-election so badly ?

He had a 23k majority, widely seen as safe. The issue of Heathrow was a red herring, as it played a very small role, if any, in the campaign. If it wasn't about BREXIT, why did he lose ?

[Togo]

//Despite numerous establishment media reports into Bregret, or Brexit regret, non of  outlets promoting the idea that people thought that they had erroneously voted to leave - the BBC, the Economist etc. have reported Mr Fergusons recantation.//

No surprise there then. Perhaps if the Biased Broadcasting Co. had reported it even Mikey would have understood the ramifications of the op. (^_*)

[mikey4444]

Congratulations then OG !

But most people I know, who voted UKIP, were very concerned about immigrants and the issue was upper-most in their minds.

[Togo]

Mikey is up to his usual thread diversion tactics.

[ToraToraTora]

Yes mikey I agree 100% it was about brexit. The "brexit" candidate got 48% in the bye election, in the actual brexit vote 35% voted brexit, I make that a 13 point swing to brexit.

[Old_Geezer]

Being concerned about immigration is simple logic, we have too many people here and worse, too many unemployed, so there is no necessity to connect it to xenophobia.

(And yes I acknowledge there are cultural and religious concerns on top, but they are unnecessary for one to be concerned anyway about population size and the Welfare budget.)

[mikey4444]

Not at all Togo...I am responding to TTT's post of 11:18 !

[Togo]

Which ended..."I applaud the honesty of NF and urge others to start looking at the situation in a similar vain rather than taking it personally like so many seem to have done."

But you didn't respond to that Mikey.

[mikey4444]

TTT...we may be at cross purposes here.

In the actual Referendum, Richmond polled 69% REMAIN.

Adjoining Boroughs, mostly hardened Tory Boroughs, also voted substantially to REMAIN as well.

[Baldric]

Mikey @ 11:00, well done, . . . . again!
;o)

[mikey4444]

I am quite happy to respond now....I 100% disagree with Ferguson !

[ToraToraTora]

mikey: "In the actual Referendum, Richmond polled 69% REMAIN." - that's an even bigger swing to brexit. If, as we both agree, the bye election was in effect a vote on brexit then the brexit candidate got 48% of the vote, right? So is that not a vast improvement on the 31% leave got in the actual referendum and thus a 17 percentage point swing to brexit?

[-Talbot-]

7 posts before Mr startyourownthread actually addresses the OP :0/

Please tell me what the EU have done to change the mind of the leavers, mikey ......

[mikey4444]

TTT....Your figures may be right, but that doesn't explain why Goldsmith was so badly defeated, in a constituency where he was solidly elected just a year ago ?

Although I applaud him for sticking to his word and resigning, he must have realised that he wasn't going to achieve anything. Whether he won or lost, Heathrow expansion was going to go ahead regardless.

Perhaps in that short time, the residents of Richmond has seen through his petulance and decided to get rid of him once and for all ?