Do You Think There Is A Risk Of Fascism Emerging In The Uk?

[Kromovaracun]

Rachel Shabi from the The Guardian (cue rotten cabbage) argues that if fascism were to gain a political foothold in Britain, we would not recognise it.

Do you find her convincing or do you disagree?

[New Judge]

"the experts might tell us but we don't listen to experts any more" is glib and illogical. The only people not listening to the experts any more are the ...

A little unkind, Ikky.

Many of the so-called “experts” have been the architects of their own undoing. Time and again in the past they have told the ignorant masses that this will happen or that will happen, only to find that this or that did not (by which time the earlier group of experts had headed off into the sunset to be replaced by a fresh batch). Some very important decisions have been taken on the back of expert advice. The introduction of the single currency is probably the one which has caused most harm. The experts in favour held sway over those they described as “doomsayers”. And look what happened.

Fortunately the latest batch of “experts” (such as the former Chancellor of the Exchequer, the Governor of the Bank of England, the CBI, Anna Soubrey and Kenneth Clarke) were not persuasive enough to fool the electorate that their forecast of doom, gloom and despondency would materialise should we idiots be foolish enough to vote for Brexit. The CBI in particular has form. It forecast that the UK economy would collapse if it declined to join the euro. The disasters they said would happen immediately following the referendum have singularly failed to occur so it is little wonder that people doubt whether the longer term forecasts of Armageddon will either. The reason why many people are now less inclined to listen to the “experts” is that many of them have demonstrated that they are a bunch of charlatans.

[naomi24]

Togo at 19:47, although you’d be absolutely right in saying that any threat of fascism comes from Islam but is generally unrecognised, Rachel Shabi accused Israel of killing children.

https://ukmediawatch.org/2015/08/11/guardian-contributor-rachel-shabi-goes-on-bbc-and-accuses-israel-of-murdering-kids/

What she said in the original video link was utterly dishonest. I think she purposefully generates propaganda.

[Togo]

//Togo....only you could watch that video clip and come out with what you have said earlier this evening.//

Did you not spot the edits in the video? Have you read the full transcript? Have you ever read her contributions to The Gatestone? (she writes under a pseudonym but you know it is her when the syntax and spelling is good) Only the wilfully blind could miss it. Haha.

[Togo]

No.... ask yourselves who posted the "interview" on yube too and who edited it? Someone is pulling your pizzers.

[New Judge]

"mikey, since you often describe UKIP as "BNP-Lite", why are they not on your list?"

Exactly. Hence my concern over "mission creep" in the definition of "Fascist".

[naomi24]

Togo, ok, I'll check it out. Still didn't like what she said in the original video though. Not one bit.

[ichkeria]

I was being slightly tongue in cheek New Judge : it she seemed to pull a rather glib platitude out of the air to back up a feeble argument. She imagined perhaps that people will be hoodwinked into suddenly waking up one morning to 1984.
That is an argument used all the time by all sorts of people with all sorts of dubious views.
Anyway, this could be amusing ...

[naomi24]

Togo, I’ve had a bit of a dig around and I stand by my original post. As an apparent supporter of Corbyn’s infantile idealism and an admirer of the hypocrite that is Shami Chakrabarti, she spouts some pretty controversial stuff and reaches some bizarre conclusions. In this instance where she talks about ‘Post-Brexit times of an ethnically pure hyper-nationalist identity hostile to those seeming to be outsiders’, and ‘pure nationalism presented as common sense and the patriotic voice of the working people’, not only is she utterly wrong - she isn’t talking about Muslims.