U.k. Ability To Monitor Data Declared Illegal By European Court

[lindapalmara]

On the day that Germany's ability to protect their people from Terror is exposed as woeful, our laws have been overruled by the EU Parliament. What a travesty.

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20161222/281492160970205

We have the best intelligence services in the world and they are being undermined by the EU , yet again. Another reason for leaving the EU. They couldn't have picked a worse day to do this. I hope we can keep appealing this until we actually leave this woeful Bloc. Or maybe we can just ignore it like other EU countries do when it suits them.

[fiction-factory]

I doubt anything I send via the internet/email would be of any use to anyone but I can see reasons why many people may feel unhappy that their identity (on say AB) could be traced, info on on other sites or personal messages etc could be accessed, possibly misinterpreted and possibly leaked. But maybe it is a small price to pay- I don't have strong feelings either way.

[dannyk13]

///they are targetting us, not terrorists//
To what end exactly?

[-Talbot-]

Gromit
DannyK,
For about £2 a month a terrorist can use a VPN which takes their web history out of the UK and out of the juristiction of this law.
So in terms of preventing terrorism, it is completely worthless.

The rest of us who are not terrorists do not use VPNs they are targetting us, not terrorists.




ha ha ... seriously?

[Gromit]

dannyk13,

Terrorists' internet traffic IS being monitored by GCHQ. And they will collect terrorists internet browsing history on the people they are watching. So the notion that terrorists will function without impedement if this law is not enacted, is completely rubbish, and a dubious argument.

The new law is a blanket surveilance of everyone in the UK, amassing huge amounts of person information. The information will not be restricted to people hunting terrorists, but will be available to your local council, Inland Revenue, the Ambulance Service and a long list of other none security agencies.

[dannyk13]

GCHQ at the moment is monitoring KNOWN terrorists only.

[Gromit]

Talbot,
Your web traffic goes through your Internet Service Provider (ISP). The new law forces ISPs to keep your history.

It is very easy to use an ISP in another country using a VPN. So anyone with anything to hide re-route their web browsing out of the UK. And can do so can do so very cheaply. It is not out of the reach of GCHQ because they monitor the world, and can follow their targets anywhere.

[-Talbot-]

Well I don't believe that, Danny but I don't care who they are monitoring.

[-Talbot-]

It is very easy to use an ISP in another country using a VPN. So anyone with anything to hide re-route their web browsing out of the UK. And can do so can do so very cheaply.



''It is not out of the reach of GCHQ because they monitor the world, and can follow their targets anywhere.''



So what is the point of the VPN?
am I missing something, your posts seem to contradict themselves.

[Gromit]

dannyk13

Wrong. They monitor a wide range of suspects. A list of known terrorist would be very small. A list of suspects will be very large. If GCHQ, have a suspect, they can monitor him and everyone else he corresponds with. My data is worthless to them.

[lindapalmara]

FF yes the Pressreader site does start with 'Optimizing" but usually only takes a few seconds. Maybe you have a Steam driven computer! I haven't had anyone else complain the can't open my links. I will type the last link.

Starts with a photo of the suspected with part of his face redacted.

Draconion Privacy conventions meant Germans were barred from seeing the full face and name of the Berlin suspect for most of yesterday. Despite appeals to help find fugitive Anis Amri, media reports only ran his first name and second initial. Only after €1,000,000 bounty was out on his head was his full identity revealed. The German authorities rarely name anyone wanted or arrested for a crime. This is believed to stem from a backlash against Nazi rule and Stasi control of East Germany.

[dannyk13]

I don't mind either.Anything that protects us from terrorism goes for me.

[dannyk13]

Laat post was for Talbot

[fiction-factory]

Well Linda- given that the first name they released was the wrong person I can see why they might have been cautious about releasing the picture of the new suspect until they were close to being 100% sure. There may have been other reasons though- maybe the police were following some leads and didn't want a diversion caused by a picture which could have led to thousands of reported sightings of people who looked a bit like him. Just a thought.

[dannyk13]

FF, His picture was shown in full on last night's news.

[Gromit]

Talbot,

Keeping your data will not prevent a terrorist attack or catch terrorists. Terrorists know how to prevent digital detection and use those strategies. So what you are missing is that the authorities are using terrorism as an excuse to snoop on everyone.

[Khandro]

Just ignore it - what can happen? The whole of this integrated and interconnected European police service is a myth anyway. The nine different police factions in the one city of Brussels can't even interact with one another, the sixteen different German Laendern (counties) don't connect up and how can PC Plod in say, Portugal talk to PC Plod in Rumania, anyway?

[fiction-factory]

>FF, His picture was shown in full on last night's news.

I know. I was suggesting an answer to why it wasn't shown at first but was later

[lindapalmara]

Yes and even after arresting the wrong person it took them a long time to find the real suspects documents in the cab of the Lorry. This included his 4 or 5 aliases. He was on file. This beggars belief.

[Gromit]

dannyk13
You are not in Germany. German privacy rules do not apply here.

[dannyk13]

Gromit ????