If A Christian Couple Can Be Fined For Refusing To Sell Something They Believe Is Against Their Religion Then Why No Action Against This Person?

[youngmafbog]

OK, so IMHO religion is the root of most evil but lets forget that bit because what I am trying to understand is why there seems to be one rule for one and another for a certain other religion we all have to bend ovcer backwards to accommodate?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4070144/Muslim-Tesco-cashier-refuses-sell-bottle-wine-shopper-against-religion.html

[andy-hughes]

YMB - // For instance it is only recently that Sunday opening was allowed, much to the Christian Churches dismay. //

The Church was indeed dismayed, but commerce is dictated by supply and demand, as all trade is, and on this occasion, the vast majority of Christians opted for the Sunday morning convenience which they can enjoy alongside their faith requisites.

I recall working in my parents' grocery store on Sunday morning, and the Christian people n the queue looking decidedly sheepish when the vicar came in and bought a jar of coffee. He turned to the queue and said loudly "I can't deliver my sermon properly without my coffee first!" whereupon he smiled broadly at me, and left the shop!

[Mamyalynne]

That's made me chuckle - I can imagine you eagerly scanning all the news outlets and facetwits etc each day.

[-Talbot-]

andy-hughes @ 13:30 Wed 28th Dec 2016

I didn't say Muslim beliefs, I said 'religious' beliefs

[hereIam]

ymb - that's easy, they will support the muslims of course !

[andy-hughes]

Talbot - //andy-hughes @ 13:30 Wed 28th Dec 2016

I didn't say Muslim beliefs, I said 'religious' beliefs //

Indeed you did, I referred to the impact of Muslim beliefs on the day-to-day lives of adherents, simply because it is more apparent there than in a faith like, for example, Christianity.

As to the wider question of why religious beliefs should be placed above others, I really can't answer that easily, because I have no faith on which to base a personal view.

But for the record, I believe that they should not - adherence to religion causes more than enough problems in the world.

[Mamyalynne]

No one could accuse you of under-reacting DB - 'oxygen thief' what a charming turn of phrase.

Use it to people's faces do you?

[andy-hughes]

divebuddy - //Could this silly girl give a reasonable explanation for why thousands of "corner shop Muslims" seem to have no problem with selling their customers booze, or indeed bacon and pork sausages. //

I am not sure that the employee is a 'girl' since I don't believe he age is advised, and I fail to see why she was 'silly' simply for adhering to the edicts of her faith.

I can give you the reason why thousands of 'corner shop Muslims' are happy to serve alcohol and pork products - they simply opt not to be bound by the edicts of their faith in the same way as more serious adherents do.

Some Christians go to mass every day of the week, some see the inside of a church twice - when they are baptised and buried.

Faith means different things to different people, it's as simple as that.

// The Tesco manager should strengthen his workforce by sacking this oxygen thief. //

That is simply unpleasant, and adds nothing to the debate.

[Zacs-Master]

Tesco were aware of her wishes to not serve alcohol, even the bloke concerned acknowledged this when he said she'd been put in a difficult position. Tesco,are at fault, not the woman.

[andy-hughes]

I wouldn't know, I have never had nothing to say!

[Togo]

Buddy that was going to be my next point to make. I wonder if this shop assistant has relatives with a business that sell alcohol? Has she ever helped out at the counter of said business perhaps, would she have been allowed to refuse to conduct a sale if she had?
Perhaps the licencing authorities should consider removing the burden of conscience from all Muslims and not grant, them and indeed remove all such dispensations to sell alcohol. We wouldn't want to corrupt them surely.

[andy-hughes]

Togo - //Buddy that was going to be my next point to make. I wonder if this shop assistant has relatives with a business that sell alcohol? Has she ever helped out at the counter of said business perhaps, would she have been allowed to refuse to conduct a sale if she had? //

I wonder if on weekends she wears dungarees and smokes tabs and calls herself Bill?

Where on earth are you going with this!

It is perfectly possible that she has relatives who sell alcohol, what is the relevance of that?

I share my home with someone who believes in God and worships as a Catholic, I am an atheist, it is possible to live in a world that doesn't see things the same way that you do.

//Perhaps the licencing authorities should consider removing the burden of conscience from all Muslims and not grant, them and indeed remove all such dispensations to sell alcohol. We wouldn't want to corrupt them surely. //

If any Muslim is looking for a dispensation (which you grant, you do not remove) to sell alcohol, I doubt they will be looking for it from the licensing authority!

[Prudie]

Surely her faith prohibits her drinking alcohol not to stop other people. Call this all an anti-muslim rant if it makes people feel better but were the assistant a white CofE teetotaller with a mission Tesco would not have been so accommodating.

[andy-hughes]

divebuddy - //Togo. It just doesn't make any sense at all that Tesco (or anybody else) should employ people as check-out workers and then say it is OK for them to pick and choose what items they are actually prepared to sell to the customers. Absolute nonsense. //

Indeed it doesn't - which is probably why they don't do it.

From what I can gather, this employee did not normally work on a check-out, and no doubt her religion is part of the reason why - but she was placed on a checkout which then gave rise to the situation which we are discussing. It was not her fault she was placed in this position, and the customer is question is happy to acknowledge that.

[whiskeryron]

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Careful naomi....being logical and rational doesn't always go down too well here on AB ! //

[mushroom25]

//Surely her faith prohibits her drinking alcohol not to stop other people.//

apparently, taking payment for something that is "haram" is as "haram" as the object in question, be it alcohol, pork, non-halal meat, nutmeg, gelatin or vanilla extract. so her faith does prevent her selling them, even to non Islamic adherents.

[mikey4444]

Nutmeg ?

Ye Gods !

[andy-hughes]

Prudie - there are Islamic teachings that dictate that touching alcohol, including the vessels in which it is carried - is forbidden.

That does not equate with a C of E worshipper who is against the effects of alcohol, so your comparison doesn't fly.