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The Mail's Unplesant (And Undeserved!) Moral Superiority Strikes Again.
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This time Steven Glover tuts and admonishes over celebrity deaths -
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His nasty snippy moralistic tutting puff piece almost falls off its see-saw, so keen is he to condemn stars for their lifestyle on one hand, and then confirm that he doesn't know that it contributed to their deaths.
For the record Mr Glover as a fan to various degrees of everyone famous who has passed recently, I am not blinded by their wonderful art and influence on my life, to their frailties and failures as human beings, and the absuses of their bodies during their lifetimes.
But guess what, I manage to feel sorry without the need to tut like some pompous old buffer in a saloon bar holding forth about 'young people' like being young and stupid is a crime that personally offends me.
Yes, part of my idols' lives involved abuses that may have taken them early, but I prefer to think of the good they have done and the pleasure they have brought, and shelve their weaknesses for another day.
What a shame Mr Glover could not find it in himself to do the same.
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His nasty snippy moralistic tutting puff piece almost falls off its see-saw, so keen is he to condemn stars for their lifestyle on one hand, and then confirm that he doesn't know that it contributed to their deaths.
For the record Mr Glover as a fan to various degrees of everyone famous who has passed recently, I am not blinded by their wonderful art and influence on my life, to their frailties and failures as human beings, and the absuses of their bodies during their lifetimes.
But guess what, I manage to feel sorry without the need to tut like some pompous old buffer in a saloon bar holding forth about 'young people' like being young and stupid is a crime that personally offends me.
Yes, part of my idols' lives involved abuses that may have taken them early, but I prefer to think of the good they have done and the pleasure they have brought, and shelve their weaknesses for another day.
What a shame Mr Glover could not find it in himself to do the same.
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To make the connection that these 3 dead stars, may have died early because of their excesses during their lifetime is not insightful or clever, because it is bleeding obvious. My main problem with Glover is not his self rightuous disdained, it is his moral bias and selective finger pointing. So unhealthy persuits tha Daily Mail readers may share, like...
14:40 Thu 29th Dec 2016
Lynne - // I like people who 'dare to speak out'. Truthers //
I too have admiration for anyone who speaks out.
But this is not speaking out!
This is stating the obvious, and then moralising about it.
George Michael has a history of drug abuse - as a prolific and successful pop star, that is about as much a surprise as saying that the sun rose this morning.
Oh, and this might have caused his death ... but then again it might not ...
That is not speaking out either - it's fencing with one eye on the potential for a defamation writ from a grieving family.
Not only was this piece insensitively timed, it is designed to appeal to breakfast table tutters and head-shakers who think that anyone under twenty-five needs a haircut and two years in the army.
So if that fits your notion of 'speaking out', I have to say it is light years away from mine.
I too have admiration for anyone who speaks out.
But this is not speaking out!
This is stating the obvious, and then moralising about it.
George Michael has a history of drug abuse - as a prolific and successful pop star, that is about as much a surprise as saying that the sun rose this morning.
Oh, and this might have caused his death ... but then again it might not ...
That is not speaking out either - it's fencing with one eye on the potential for a defamation writ from a grieving family.
Not only was this piece insensitively timed, it is designed to appeal to breakfast table tutters and head-shakers who think that anyone under twenty-five needs a haircut and two years in the army.
So if that fits your notion of 'speaking out', I have to say it is light years away from mine.
There will always be speculation when a celebrity dies suddenly and unexpectedly. But determining the cause of death is entirely down to the pathologist.
This article was probably ill timed, and it was definitely pointless in terms of the headline v its contents. Where it has scored points though is getting people talking about the DM and SG. It's doing precisely what it was meant to do.
This article was probably ill timed, and it was definitely pointless in terms of the headline v its contents. Where it has scored points though is getting people talking about the DM and SG. It's doing precisely what it was meant to do.
@andye-hughes:
It's in the public interest, in my opinion. I had no idea that George Michael even smoked, let alone smoked all of that marijuana plus all of that other stuff he dabbled with. It simply didn't fit in with his image; seems like he lived 'the rock and roll lifestyle'
Maybe I should have read The Guardian's 4 page spread then maybe I'd
have been better informed
It's in the public interest, in my opinion. I had no idea that George Michael even smoked, let alone smoked all of that marijuana plus all of that other stuff he dabbled with. It simply didn't fit in with his image; seems like he lived 'the rock and roll lifestyle'
Maybe I should have read The Guardian's 4 page spread then maybe I'd
have been better informed
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Interesting you say 'Contemporaries' Ron - it has ever been so (doesn't make it pretty though).
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Lynn - //@andye-hughes:
It's in the public interest, in my opinion. I had no idea that George Michael even smoked, let alone smoked all of that marijuana plus all of that other stuff he dabbled with. It simply didn't fit in with his image; seems like he lived 'the rock and roll lifestyle' //
I can assure you that Mr Michael's dalliances with drugs have been regular and considerable newspaper fodder for years, and I would suggest you are in the minority if you have any interest in him or his career, and remain ignorant of those facts.
And no, it is not 'in the public interest' it is in the public's interest, which is a very different thing.
It's in the public interest, in my opinion. I had no idea that George Michael even smoked, let alone smoked all of that marijuana plus all of that other stuff he dabbled with. It simply didn't fit in with his image; seems like he lived 'the rock and roll lifestyle' //
I can assure you that Mr Michael's dalliances with drugs have been regular and considerable newspaper fodder for years, and I would suggest you are in the minority if you have any interest in him or his career, and remain ignorant of those facts.
And no, it is not 'in the public interest' it is in the public's interest, which is a very different thing.
whiskeyron - //So andy-hughes can we take it that you agree with the standard of morals exhibited by some of our contemporaries to-day ? //
Thanks for proving the 'So' rule again Ron!
And no - you can't take it.
Morality is an individual matter - yours are not mine, and Mr Michael's belong to neither of us.
Thanks for proving the 'So' rule again Ron!
And no - you can't take it.
Morality is an individual matter - yours are not mine, and Mr Michael's belong to neither of us.
To make the connection that these 3 dead stars, may have died early because of their excesses during their lifetime is not insightful or clever, because it is bleeding obvious.
My main problem with Glover is not his self rightuous disdained, it is his moral bias and selective finger pointing. So unhealthy persuits tha Daily Mail readers may share, like drinking and smoking too much as quietly excused, all the condemnation and blame is for taking drugs.
// But the harm caused by drugs — and in particular their ruinous effects on the lives of apparently glamorous celebrities believed by fans to have it all — are usually much less widely discussed. //
Glovers writing shows a broken moral compass, and an eagerness to blame and exonerate wothout any evidence or conviction. It is pretty low stuff to exploit dead people to earn your 3000 word writers fee.
My main problem with Glover is not his self rightuous disdained, it is his moral bias and selective finger pointing. So unhealthy persuits tha Daily Mail readers may share, like drinking and smoking too much as quietly excused, all the condemnation and blame is for taking drugs.
// But the harm caused by drugs — and in particular their ruinous effects on the lives of apparently glamorous celebrities believed by fans to have it all — are usually much less widely discussed. //
Glovers writing shows a broken moral compass, and an eagerness to blame and exonerate wothout any evidence or conviction. It is pretty low stuff to exploit dead people to earn your 3000 word writers fee.
Gromit - //// But the harm caused by drugs — and in particular their ruinous effects on the lives of apparently glamorous celebrities believed by fans to have it all — are usually much less widely discussed. //
Absolutely - not least by The Mail, which joined its tabloid brethren in salivating over the barely cold corpse of Amy Winehouse, but did nothing at all to highlight the reasons for her descent into loneliness and death, except as usual to stand on the side-lines pointing and jeering.
It's hypocrisy and it stinks.
The Mail daily parades celebrity culture on its side-bar website with it's nineteen seventies joshing and ladism about 'pert posteriors' and 'fabulous cleavages', bot God help any celebrity who dies, because then they stop being purveyors of sub-pier-end-level smut and nonsense and come on like th moral guardians of the planet.
Absolutely - not least by The Mail, which joined its tabloid brethren in salivating over the barely cold corpse of Amy Winehouse, but did nothing at all to highlight the reasons for her descent into loneliness and death, except as usual to stand on the side-lines pointing and jeering.
It's hypocrisy and it stinks.
The Mail daily parades celebrity culture on its side-bar website with it's nineteen seventies joshing and ladism about 'pert posteriors' and 'fabulous cleavages', bot God help any celebrity who dies, because then they stop being purveyors of sub-pier-end-level smut and nonsense and come on like th moral guardians of the planet.
Perhaps the BBC should also be condemned. Below are some of the excerpts from the obituary that they ran. How very dare they.
//In April 1998 he was arrested in a Beverley Hills public toilet by an undercover police officer and charged with engaging in a lewd act. He was fined and sentenced to 80 hours of community service. //
//His private life continued to dominate the headlines. In February 2006 he was arrested and charged with possession of class C drugs and in July of that year the News of the World printed allegations that he had been engaging in sexual activity on London's Hampstead Heath.//
//In August 2010 he was sentenced to eight weeks' imprisonment after pleading guilty to driving while under the influence of drugs. He was released after serving half his sentence.//
//In April 1998 he was arrested in a Beverley Hills public toilet by an undercover police officer and charged with engaging in a lewd act. He was fined and sentenced to 80 hours of community service. //
//His private life continued to dominate the headlines. In February 2006 he was arrested and charged with possession of class C drugs and in July of that year the News of the World printed allegations that he had been engaging in sexual activity on London's Hampstead Heath.//
//In August 2010 he was sentenced to eight weeks' imprisonment after pleading guilty to driving while under the influence of drugs. He was released after serving half his sentence.//
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That's what my point is.
What's this nonsense that Glover is talking about?
Literally every obituary about George Michael mentions both his dug abuse and arrests.
Who exactly isn't talking about it?
Typical alt-right nonsense. They make up something which is completely untrue and then rail against it.
This comment made earlier is breathtaking:
"At last someone who is not afraid to speak out"
(Slaps forehead and mutters "Sheesh")
That's what my point is.
What's this nonsense that Glover is talking about?
Literally every obituary about George Michael mentions both his dug abuse and arrests.
Who exactly isn't talking about it?
Typical alt-right nonsense. They make up something which is completely untrue and then rail against it.
This comment made earlier is breathtaking:
"At last someone who is not afraid to speak out"
(Slaps forehead and mutters "Sheesh")
I would really like to know if anyone can tell me the people who are not mentioning George Michael's history of drug abuse.
I've looked at the following obituaries and it's in every single one:
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So who exactly isn't talking about it?
Said to read nonsense in the newspapers, and have it repeated without any checks or consideration that it might just be some commentator desperate to fill their contractual obligations to stir it up once a week.
Weak.
I've looked at the following obituaries and it's in every single one:
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So who exactly isn't talking about it?
Said to read nonsense in the newspapers, and have it repeated without any checks or consideration that it might just be some commentator desperate to fill their contractual obligations to stir it up once a week.
Weak.
ah You are once again way off beam, Glover was not finger wagging as far as I'm concerned. I feel however that you are . He also fingered the middle aged and elderly public for their life choices (as have other agencies) the banner headline was "Their loss is tragic. But why is no one saying George Michael and others died young after years of drug abuse?" He also went on to say "Now I don't want to sound preachy. I certainly like a drink and don't imagine my liver is in pristine condition". You have chosen to take your usual offence at what is a pretty innocuous reflection on the deaths and mawkish reactions of some sections of the public to the demise of some of our celebrity performers. I contend that you have written far less flattering things, quite recently, about other people without any sense of irony. It is indeed you who is using George Michael's death as a hobby horse to virtue signal your purity of heart.
[email protected]. Correct.... so why is Glover all of a sudden some sort of bogeyman for repeating it, and making a very fair comment?
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