"l" Drivers

[TWR]

8am BBC News, are going to be allowed on the UK Motorways! Is this safe?

[Hopkirk]

Learner drivers currently drive on dual carriageways with no hard shoulder, at 70 mph.

What's the difference?

[ummmm]

That's what I thought, Hopkirk, and dual carriageways are part of driving lessons.

[Zacs-Master]

Dual carriageways generally have two lanes, not three. Dual carriageways don't have sliproads. Motorways don't have traffic lights or roundabouts, or both. Dual carriageways aren't 'smart'.

[ummmm]

Dual carriageways do have slip roads.

[youngmafbog]

Driving on a dual carriageway and a multi laned motorway are entirely different.

And Morotoway driving is not easy, it is that myth that causes accidents.

I would prefer people to be 'taught' how to motorway drive, having driven Lord knows how many motorway miles over the years it is quite easy to see the novice, too close too fast, not able to keep straight line at speed and pull out with no concept of the speed.

It is not just the Learners though, it's pretty easy to see the 'occasional' motorway driver, usually with a caravan or trailer, as they are doing the same.

[mushroom25]

//Dual carriageways generally have two lanes, not three. Dual carriageways don't have sliproads. Motorways don't have traffic lights or roundabouts, or both. Dual carriageways aren't 'smart'. //

bit of a generalization there. the A42 isn't a motorway (the local landowner wouldn't permit it and he's reminded of this every time there's an accident and the emergency vehicles are delayed because there's no shoulder) but it has motorway style grade separation. the A40 isn't a motorway but most of it from Westway to the Denham roundabout is 3 lanes. there's a motorway-rules roundabout between the M1 and the M62 near Wakefield where there's no other exit (a friend tried to hitch from here and got a ride in a police Volvo).

oh, and smart motorways are not.

[ummmm]

Surely the safe rules of motorway driving is taught in driving lessons? It certainly was to me.

[Baldric]

///Learner drivers currently drive on dual carriageways with no hard shoulder, at 70 mph.///

Oh, goodness, that's very very naughty when the Speed Limit is 60 mph.

[ladybirder]

I think 70 is correct Baldric.

[sunny-dave]

70 mph

https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

[donny48]

On dual carriageways where a saloon car may be driven at 70mph, a Transit van, being a goods vehicle and not a "car derived van", is restricted by its class to a speed limit of 60mph. * The speed limit for goods vehicles not exceeding 7.5 tonnes is 60mph on motorways if the vehicle is articulated or towing a trailer

[Gromit]

The National Speed Limit varies on vehicle type, but for a car it is 70mph on a Dual Carriageway. It is 60mph on a single carriageway.

[Zacs-Master]

Apologies for the slip road comment. All the confusion shows why drivers need to be educated.

[Baldric]

Thanks for that, I rarely take any notice anyway except in built up areas

[SnookerPlayer]

There are slip roads to enter dual carriageways, lesson over.

[jno]

for a car it is 70mph on a Dual Carriageway. It is 60mph on a single carriageway

except for German cars, which are permitted on the understanding that they only have to observe Autobahn speed limits.

[jno]

lesson over

the lesson's not really over until you know that some dual carriageways have slip roads and some don't.

[vulcan42]

You cannot assume that all dual carriageways have a speed limit of 70. There is a road near me where because housing estates have been built either side of it, a stretch of the dual carriage has been reduced to 40 mph. It has caught out a lot of drivers.

[ummmm]

But the change in speed limit will be displayed.

[vulcan42]

ummmm, agreed, the road has the limit shown but a lot of drivers miss the signs and just see a dual carriageway in front of them.