Should The Nhs Be Spending £100M So As To Provide Free Translators?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/756977/NHS-spends-100-million-on-TRANSLATORS-in-128-languages

[Togo]

Now show the bit that says completely free of charge.

[THECORBYLOON]

Show me the bit I made up

[Togo]

He doesn't know readers.... really he does not know. Haha I must be careful not to debate with fools, in case I need to imitate them to be understood.

[THECORBYLOON]

"Staff should let patients know that they have the
right to an interpreter to assist in communication.
It should be made clear that ***there is no cost
to the patient***and that staff will arrange for the
interpreter (the patient does not have to do this).
The patient can use or refuse the assigned
interpreter."

The words in between the asterisks show the interpreter is at no cost to the patient.

[Togo]

No link mind. Edited...just like the Judge's misquote. Pennaeth sigledig nos da. :))

[THECORBYLOON]

I posted the link in my answer at 20.04 if you bothered to check it but here it is again,
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.hse.ie/eng/services/publications/SocialInclusion/emaspeaking.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwir27ebhNTRAhXnI8AKHRY8BoYQFggjMAM&usg=AFQjCNFHnTm34UsOODmFziI12LcWppms3A&;sig2=wCn60aCNdd6lthzhiYj8AA

Look on page 10.

Regarding NJ's comment, in his final paragraph he said,

"No, certainly not for A&E (though it seems in the other countries I have mentioned they may do so). But for planned outpatient appointments it should be a pre-condition that the patient provides translation services if necessary. I'm puzzled as to why it seems to be only the UK that provides services such as this free of charge."

I quoted his final sentence in my post at 19.30. If you can point out the difference, on you go!

[fiction-factory]

Debate is pointless really- everyone has made their minds up. Thecorbyloon may answer everything thrown back at him but those who have made their minds up will not be convinced.
The point that is being overlooked/played down is that it is in the interests of the health service that there is as much understanding as possible as to the problems a patient is experiencing and that a patient understands advice from doctors, so translators help.
The dislike of foreigners who don't bother to speak English or for whatever reason can't speak English yet is understandable I suppose but seems to be clouding the judgement and leading them to think that expenditure on translation services is a complete waste of money.

[Togo]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4138760/Patients-won-t-learn-English-crippling-NHS.html

Now here is someone who knows what they are talking about.

[Togo]

//I am referring to the problems created by the number of patients who are unable to speak English, even if they have lived in this country for a long time.
The language barrier means that the NHS sometimes struggles to offer an effective service to such patients.
Moreover, there is the additional strain on resources because of the need to use interpreters or translation phone lines, as laid down by NHS policies.
Consultations with non-English speakers tend to be twice as long because everything has to be spelt out slowly or repeated through others. As a result, there is less time available for other patients//

Just one of the points made in the article.

[THECORBYLOON]

Still not able to point out what I made up about the ROI or how I misquoted NJ?

[fiction-factory]

Hi Togo- I don't think anyone disagrees that poor /non-existent English language skills are a drain on the NHS, but given that we have this language problem in society (in schools, communities, job centres, workplaces, courts etc as well as hospitals) unless a solution can be found then there is unfortunately a need for translators. Scrapping all translators may cause more problems for the NHS in the short and medium term and is unlikely by itself to encourage many if any more people to learn English

[Togo]

Nonsense, how can schools and hospitals be efficient establishments with scores of languages and legions of "translators". When did it become our responsibility to understand the migrants and not the other way round? Risible theory.

[THECORBYLOON]

TOGO you've not identified anything made up in my ROI post or any misquotes so I have to presume you admit you were in error.

[fiction-factory]

Sorry if you don't get it Togo. For hospitals I suggested earlier the NHS does it because they have a duty of care and they would rather doctors get the correct facts about symptoms/problems than waste time trying to drag out the info and possible risk a misdiagnosis.
Of course they may just be doing it for some other reason-maybe to waste money deliberately or as part of some pro immigrant/lefty agenda but I'm not aware of that.
More should be done to get non English speakers to speak English but unless it is part of a much wider plan just punishing them/teaching them a lesson by depriving them of proper health care seems a bit harsh.

[THECORBYLOON]

At what point (if any) do those who oppose free translators think it reasonable to provide them for patients with poor English language skills.

[Togo]

//More should be done to get non English speakers to speak English but unless it is part of a much wider plan just punishing them/teaching them a lesson by depriving them of proper health care seems a bit harsh. //

Who advocated punishment or withdrawal of health care to the countless non English speakers? What the op is about is who pays for this "understanding" to take place. Why are we responsible for our staff understanding the claimants but they are not responsible for making themselves understood? Any chance that all this is again linked to a EU edict guaranteeing you man rites and all the other eeqwality legislation that is designed to blur the lines of responsibility. Even the Irish are submerged with it, a people who are not known for their Nationalistic pride at all. The EU dogma was very near successful in suppressing us for ever, including in our houses of refuge for the sick and needy. If I go to the doctor and he cannot understand me, is that me or him?

[fiction-factory]

Ah, the clincher: "you man rites and all the other eeqwality" .

[fiction-factory]

To pick up the point you made before you got the EU youman rites bit in:
Would your suggested charges to patients for translators be means tested, Togo?
Would they have to be paid for up front before any treatment is given or would a bill be issued afterwards?
Would treatment be refused to patients who wouldn't/couldn't pay or didn't understand what they were being asked?
How much would be spent on administering the process, chasing up unpaid bills, etc?
I suspect the lawyers would make a mint from it

[Togo]

I could have pointed out that the signallers who like to profess their "caring" nature don't really care do they? They like to condemn and play the piety card, but are not brave enough to face facts. Perhaps it needs the NHS to collapse before the political agenda is removed from day to day running. Be some cheering then from our luvvies. Pyrrhic victories and all that.

[Togo]

//I suspect the lawyers would make a mint from it //

Bingo...... yooman rites lawyers.......Easier than chasing ambulances.