The Benefits Of Mass Immigration Into Britain, Doctors, Nurses, Entrepreneurs, Etc. But Is There Really A Need For Others To Bring Their Sweat Shops To Britain?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4146648/Workers-make-clothes-major-brands-3-hour.html

[mikey4444]

That is what needs sorting out Zacs.

The answer lies not in paying sweatshop wages, but in working out why some manufacturers an make garments paying the legal wages and still make a profit.

Perhaps the British public also need to ask themselves how garments are so cheap on the high street ? Maybe their expectations need to managed a little better.

[Garaman]

Britain lost its ability to manufacture goods cheaply a long time ago, and lost it really as a result of workers quite rightly not accepting sweatshop conditions. We are still good at top-end stuff where cost isn’t that important, but the only way we compete at the lower end is by paying workers too little. I quite understand how many want to cut immigration, up wages, and get more Brits in employment, but of course most Brits wouldn’t work for the money being offered now, and upping wages could result in less manufacturing and fewer jobs.

[naomi24]

//The answer lies not in paying sweatshop wages, but in working out why some manufacturers an make garments paying the legal wages and still make a profit. //

It's not difficult. They charge the retailer more for the garments. The retailer is then obliged to charge the customer more for the garments.

[-Talbot-]

mikey4444
Perhaps there is another repercussion Zacs !

Perhaps they can start paying legal wages and still stay in business.





Perhaps they could prosecute them and put them out of business?

[mikey4444]

Talbot....it sounds to me that you are making a case for companies to be allowed to pay £3 an hour .....is that correct ?

[-Talbot-]

Don't be daft.

[mikey4444]

I am not being daft.

Explain what you meant earlier then ?

[-Talbot-]

I meant

Perhaps they could prosecute them and put them out of business?



Not sure how I can simplify that.
What these so called employers are doing is illegal. Until one of these companies is actually prosecuted this criminality will continue.

[mikey4444]

Talbot....then it would appear that I owe you an apology !

Agree with everything you say.

[-Talbot-]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/sep/28/only-three-out-of-700-firms-prosecuted-for-paying-below-minimum-wage

[Oldred]

//The answer lies not in paying sweatshop wages, but in working out why some manufacturers an make garments paying the legal wages and still make a profit. //

It's very simple, - you just have to understand the differing ratios of material/labour/overhead costs according to the quality (and hence the sale price) of different garments.

Less expensive clothing is now largely imported from countries where labour costs are much lower and UK companies paying the legal minimum wage cannot compete.

The companies that are being reported on are not geared up to manufacture higher quality(priced) garments so to compete in their chosen market they have to resort to illegal practices.

[mikey4444]

Unacceptable Talbot !

With a strike rate as low as that, is it any wonder that some employers are tempted to act illegally ?

[-Talbot-]

You will love this one, mikey

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/23/brothers-jailed-trafficking-poland-sports-direct-shirebrook

[mikey4444]

Yes, thanks Talbot....I noticed that earlier today.

I have now watched the "Dispatches" program, and its even worse that we thought.

Not just the usual shysters, paying £3 an hour, being filmed paying £3 a hours and then saying that they aren't.

Not just the clothing firms, sub-contacting out to the shysters, and being terribly shocked when CH4 presented the evidence.

But factories where there is totally inadequate fire escape protection !

Somebody queried earlier, the ethics of putting these firms out of business and perhaps causing unemployment as a result ( not you )

But who would now defend these companies ? Its up to the clothing firms to make sure that the supply chain is safe and not corrupt, and if that means paying more frequent visits, then that is what they should do.

[naomi24]

From Mikey, //Somebody queried earlier, the ethics of putting these firms out of business and perhaps causing unemployment as a result ( not you ) //

That was probably me - aka she who shall not be named for fear of being presented with, and having to confront, the unsavoury truth. ;o)

[Zacs-Master]

I thought it might have been me Naomi. Shame he couldn't say really.

[naomi24]

His list of 'unmentionables' is growing but, unlike me, I don't think you've scared him off yet, Zacsmaster. ;o)

[Zacs-Master]

You're more prolific than me. 8-)

[naomi24]

Mmmm..... debateable.

[-Talbot-]

Somebody queried earlier, the ethics of putting these firms out of business and perhaps causing unemployment as a result ( not you )



To all intents and purposes these people in these factories do no exist, The factories exist because slave labour is freely available through illegal immigrants and legal immigrants coming from impoverished countries within the great European Union.