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How Many Of Our Scottish Abers Vote To Leave?
Autumn next year is Nicola Sturgeons preferred date for another independence referendum.
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What would our Scottish ABers vote for if it were a straight in or out question?
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What would our Scottish ABers vote for if it were a straight in or out question?
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As Karl suggests above, there are lots of small countries...many without the resources Scotland has...that manage to exist successfully as independent nations.
And, by 'resources', I do not simply refer to oil. The whole world knows that oil is a volatile product in more ways than one; it can go up and down in price and often does. However, the world happily beats a path to our door to get whisky, for example, and tourism is a major business, to name only two income sources.
How much oil does Malta have or Slovenia or the Czech Republic, just to mention other happily independent small states in the EU, never mind the world?
It is insulting...perhaps deliberately here on AnswerBank...to think Scotland would be uniquely incapable of "managing" itself.
And, by 'resources', I do not simply refer to oil. The whole world knows that oil is a volatile product in more ways than one; it can go up and down in price and often does. However, the world happily beats a path to our door to get whisky, for example, and tourism is a major business, to name only two income sources.
How much oil does Malta have or Slovenia or the Czech Republic, just to mention other happily independent small states in the EU, never mind the world?
It is insulting...perhaps deliberately here on AnswerBank...to think Scotland would be uniquely incapable of "managing" itself.
Scotland is too poor, too wee and too hopeless to manage its own affairs.
Why do you not talk Scotland up? If we are such a bunch of scroungers and no hopers why do you want to hang on to us so tightly?
Perhaps for somewhere to dump your nuclear waste, park your odious weapons or consume our resources.
Why do you not talk Scotland up? If we are such a bunch of scroungers and no hopers why do you want to hang on to us so tightly?
Perhaps for somewhere to dump your nuclear waste, park your odious weapons or consume our resources.
Hear hear Jack, like a sulky teenager threatening to leave home unless it gets its own way. In the end you always have to kick em out. Time to do just that. Then join the States in a fracking revolution until oil is 15 dollars a barrel and get the Welsh and English whisky distilleries going. Re site the nuclear fleet and all the jobs and feed of business in Milford Haven or Portsmouth and sell the nuclear waste to the Chinese or North Koreans or the Taliban.
you scots don't seem to be able to agree amongst yourselves whether oil should have been included in the independence maths or not, or whether it should have been, whether or not it was "fake maths" (to use a modern colloquialism:-
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ms sturgeon says that oil revenue was only ever considered to be a bonus - presumably she'll be dismissing the massive industry decommissioning costs in a similar casual manner?
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ms sturgeon says that oil revenue was only ever considered to be a bonus - presumably she'll be dismissing the massive industry decommissioning costs in a similar casual manner?
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"may I ask ( not for the first time)why English politicians are desperate for Scotland to stay in Britain ?"
Perhaps because they have the sense to see that all 4 countries joined in a union is stronger than all split up and unable to exert the same influence. That it is simply common sense for an island, or group of islands, to have the one overall governing parliament. That such a split, should it ever happen, would be as traumatic an event as can be compared to a divorce from marriage, but with a greater economic effect. The UK is small enough to be it's own master without feeling it is simply being dictated to by outside powers. It is a good sized unit, small enough to be inclusive, large enough to to heard, with the various parts not having that dissimilar a culture having been a single nation for a long time now. It is simply the wreckers that ferment discordance and unrest to achieve their aims in order to satisfy their own personal ideology and massive ego.
Perhaps because they have the sense to see that all 4 countries joined in a union is stronger than all split up and unable to exert the same influence. That it is simply common sense for an island, or group of islands, to have the one overall governing parliament. That such a split, should it ever happen, would be as traumatic an event as can be compared to a divorce from marriage, but with a greater economic effect. The UK is small enough to be it's own master without feeling it is simply being dictated to by outside powers. It is a good sized unit, small enough to be inclusive, large enough to to heard, with the various parts not having that dissimilar a culture having been a single nation for a long time now. It is simply the wreckers that ferment discordance and unrest to achieve their aims in order to satisfy their own personal ideology and massive ego.
“..but stop dressing it up as "independence" when it is "alternative dependence" “
Absolutely spot on. But the difficulty the Scots face is that should they abandon their membership of the UK, their membership of the EU is by no means guaranteed. In fact it is almost certainly to be rejected. Ms Sturgeon seems to believe she can negotiate some sort of “associate membership” of the EU. Scots believing her are naïve in the extreme.
“How much oil does Malta have or Slovenia or the Czech Republic…”
Not a lot. GDP per capita Malta = $22,700; Slovenia = $15,900; Czech Republic = $17,500. GDP per capita UK = $43,900 (much of which is transferred by various funding formulae from England to Scotland). The 55% of Scots that voted to remain in the UK in 2014 obviously know on what side their bread is buttered (and who provides the butter).
Absolutely spot on. But the difficulty the Scots face is that should they abandon their membership of the UK, their membership of the EU is by no means guaranteed. In fact it is almost certainly to be rejected. Ms Sturgeon seems to believe she can negotiate some sort of “associate membership” of the EU. Scots believing her are naïve in the extreme.
“How much oil does Malta have or Slovenia or the Czech Republic…”
Not a lot. GDP per capita Malta = $22,700; Slovenia = $15,900; Czech Republic = $17,500. GDP per capita UK = $43,900 (much of which is transferred by various funding formulae from England to Scotland). The 55% of Scots that voted to remain in the UK in 2014 obviously know on what side their bread is buttered (and who provides the butter).
As some have said above, I think Scotland is well capable of managing as a small country outside the UK and the EU but I think they are underestimating the problems ahead. There are huge challenges to replace all the infrastructure that they have been used to in the UK. Nations like NZ for example have been used to running for a couple of centuries. Scotland leaving would be like a teenager leaving their parents home and then discovering thing like Bills, rent, security etc. I'm not desperate for them to stay, quite the opposite but, being objective, it's all so unnecessary, to sate the ambitions of a leader who thinks she's Mel Gibson. I know the Scots are smarter than that.
oil is harvested by foreign investment Scotland only gets small portion of revenue
ship building gone
steel gone
mining gone
whisky foreign investment mainly Japan I think
commerce and banking ..most big houses have said they will leave if yes succeed
fishing very much restricted and competeing with large factory trawler ships
tourism still alive but is that enough ?
ship building gone
steel gone
mining gone
whisky foreign investment mainly Japan I think
commerce and banking ..most big houses have said they will leave if yes succeed
fishing very much restricted and competeing with large factory trawler ships
tourism still alive but is that enough ?
“The SNP’s founders were united over self-determination in principle.”
The quote above is from Wikipedia’s article on the SNP and shows that independence has been its (obvious) underlying principle for 83 years.
The SNP was founded in 1934 and Nicola Sturgeon was born in 1970, so there is no sensible justification for the acrimonious comments on her leadership – and personality – specifically. The only mystery is why her most vociferous critics are often from the same ‘team’ as the one that venerates Thatcher, of all people!
Thanks, TTT, for at least acknowledging that Scots would be perfectly capable of running an independent Scotland. To imagine otherwise, given their contributions to the benefit of the entire UK over the centuries of Union is borderline irrational!
Murraymints, you keep making the same errors as regards the income from oil, whisky etc, imagining - as you clearly do - that because foreign companies are involved the nation gets very little from it. Where on earth do you imagine the UK has been getting major income from, if not from these foreign companies for the past half century?
If Scotland were independent, revenues from these sources would go directly into Scotland's Treasury. The rest of the UK would get NO income from oil in the North Atlantic or the “far” North Sea…the only sea areas with real future promise…or from any Scottish whisky distillery.
The quote above is from Wikipedia’s article on the SNP and shows that independence has been its (obvious) underlying principle for 83 years.
The SNP was founded in 1934 and Nicola Sturgeon was born in 1970, so there is no sensible justification for the acrimonious comments on her leadership – and personality – specifically. The only mystery is why her most vociferous critics are often from the same ‘team’ as the one that venerates Thatcher, of all people!
Thanks, TTT, for at least acknowledging that Scots would be perfectly capable of running an independent Scotland. To imagine otherwise, given their contributions to the benefit of the entire UK over the centuries of Union is borderline irrational!
Murraymints, you keep making the same errors as regards the income from oil, whisky etc, imagining - as you clearly do - that because foreign companies are involved the nation gets very little from it. Where on earth do you imagine the UK has been getting major income from, if not from these foreign companies for the past half century?
If Scotland were independent, revenues from these sources would go directly into Scotland's Treasury. The rest of the UK would get NO income from oil in the North Atlantic or the “far” North Sea…the only sea areas with real future promise…or from any Scottish whisky distillery.
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