Will Scotland Get It's Second Referendum

[emmie]

Going on Ms Sturgeons forthright views, or is it all a load of hot air.

[mushroom25]

I bet she'll be asking for yesterday's rugby match to be re-run as well.

[emmie]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39213767

[emmie]

Scotland's first minister has said autumn 2018 would be a "common sense" date for any second independence referendum.

Nicola Sturgeon continued to insist, however, that no final decision had yet been made on holding such a vote.

In a BBC interview, she said she would take things forward at "the pace that I think is right for the country".

[sunny-dave]

Even if you accept the dubious cry of "It's Scotland's Oil" (never entirely true) it looks like the future revenues will fall between 'not very much' and 'naff all'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/09/cost-decommissioning-north-sea-wipe-future-tax-revenues/

Which means that all the economic sleight of hand used last time just won't wash in referendum #2

Without support from the rest of the UK (or more specifically England), Scotland is pretty much an economic basket case - think Greece without the good weather.

If they want to go, that's fine - entirely their decision, but I think they'd be mad to do it.

Nicola Sturgeon must know this, but it's an unspeakable truth just now. I expect her to blame all sorts of external factors for preventing a referendum she knows could be a disaster for her and the SNP - whichever way it went ...

[emmie]

sunny dave
interesting, so you don't think she will push the agenda. I don't personally like her, not because she is Scot, just she seems incredibly pushy, perhaps you have to be but i can't watch her generally.

[sunny-dave]

I think she'll be pushing publicly...

... but miraculously finding all sorts of external factors to blame for not actually having another vote ...

[mushroom25]

when certain powers were devolved to Holyrood under Scottish devolution, the arrangement vested all constitutional matters in the national Westminster parliament. thus a referendum on Scottish independence needed those arrangements to be varied and this required an act of parliament. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2013/14/contents
this provided for one referendum, in September 2014. a further referendum - if it is to carry any legal weight - will either require a new act, or an amendment to the existing one.

ms sturgeon can call a referendum any time she likes but without the implied consent of Westminster afforded by new legislation, it will be constitutionally meaningless.

[emmie]

I would hate to split the Union come what may.

[ToraToraTora]

Frankly they should have a referendum on "different dependence" not independence. Queen Nicola wants to leave the UK so she can go cap in hand to the EU and ask to be subjugated by them. Doesn't sound like "independence" to me. Anyway I think the Scots will give the same answer they did last time.

[webbo3]

This is my post from a different thread on the same subject.

\\I may be being a bit stupid here but if the scots had won the vote and got independence the surely they wouldn't be in the eu as whilst part of the uk they are in the eu but if they left they would have to negotiate a way into the eu. //

Am i being a bit stupid or not. ?

Dave

[emmie]

dave

no, makes sense.

[webbo3]

emmie,

Nicola Sturgeon wants to be part of the eu but not the uk, but if the last vote had gone her way Scotland would be independent from the uk but not in the eu.


Dave.

[ToraToraTora]

the problem is that the Wee un thinks entry to the EU is a given, I don't think it is and even if it is the EU will want a deal that amounts to enslavement anyway.

[youngmafbog]

It's not a given at all. spain will always veto it for one and secondly Scotland would have to prove its economic value for a number of years before being allowed in. With all the problems of the PIGS (although no longer news it's still there) there is no way the EU (Germany) would want to be funding yest another country.

And lastly the wee lady seems to have forgotten they will need a currency. They cannot use the Pound as that belongs to the Union she so despises so they would need a Scottish pound or whatever (There is zero chance of using the EUR). As the SNP have zero experience of running an economy I'd expect the value of the Scottish pound to be very poor meaning imports would be very expensive.

[douglas9401]

She gives me the impression of someone who's seldom heard the word 'no' in response to a request and responds badly when it comes up.
I'm not a fan, not that she would ever care.

[youngmafbog]

I suspect you are right.

So Mrs My should call her bluff and offer one.

[emmie]

perhaps that is the answer, Mrs May calling her bluff then we would know. No chance of them getting the Euro, why not if they were independent

[youngmafbog]

You have to be economically sound to join. Being independant and a member of the EU is not sufficient:

https://ec.europa.eu/info/business-economy-euro/euro-area/enlargement-euro-area/who-can-join-and-when_en

[ToraToraTora]

they can adopt any currency just like many countries use the USD but they'll have no control over it.

[emmie]

how did Greece get the Euro then?