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Gordon Brown Says Holyrood Should Gain Brexit Powers
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"One can not be allowed to have one's cake and eat it too." Absolutely, OG. And that is what the ridiculous devolution arrangements are allowing the Scots to do. They have a devolved government with powers which far exceed anything elsewhere in the UK and there is absolutely no justificatio
14:08 Sat 18th Mar 2017
Well since Firefox thought it "blooming" hilarious to throw away all I had already written I'll have to try to repeat it; although clearly never as well as the first time.
I've not looked at the details but have heard the news article and from that think it is an utterly ridiculous idea. Does he really think that fools anyone ?
This is no third option but simply an attempt to fool folk that it is a compromise. It simply swaps a immediate step to a into one that continues the attrition process of nibbling away the Union whilst pretending to do no such thing. Transferring power from the Union's government to the country tier (well except for England of course who are denied the same).
There is no compromise. Either a country wants to leave in which case they'd best get on with it, or they don't and should stop trying to be both in and out of the Union at the same time, and commit to the Union instead. One can not be allowed to have one's cake and eat it too.
But maybe he was trying his best to ensure there is no doubt the Tories get in again next time. In which case; job done.
I've not looked at the details but have heard the news article and from that think it is an utterly ridiculous idea. Does he really think that fools anyone ?
This is no third option but simply an attempt to fool folk that it is a compromise. It simply swaps a immediate step to a into one that continues the attrition process of nibbling away the Union whilst pretending to do no such thing. Transferring power from the Union's government to the country tier (well except for England of course who are denied the same).
There is no compromise. Either a country wants to leave in which case they'd best get on with it, or they don't and should stop trying to be both in and out of the Union at the same time, and commit to the Union instead. One can not be allowed to have one's cake and eat it too.
But maybe he was trying his best to ensure there is no doubt the Tories get in again next time. In which case; job done.
"One can not be allowed to have one's cake and eat it too."
Absolutely, OG. And that is what the ridiculous devolution arrangements are allowing the Scots to do. They have a devolved government with powers which far exceed anything elsewhere in the UK and there is absolutely no justification for it whatsoever. In many respects London has far more right to such devolution than Scotland ever has but such a move would be equally ridiculous.
As I said yesterday, if and when a second referendum is countenanced, far from promising more devolved powers (which Cameron and his mates flew up to Edinburgh to pledge on the eve of the first one) the Scots should be left in no doubt that no further devolution will take place. The SNP exists merely to campaign for independence and is making a complete pig's ear of governing Scotland. In my view some aspects of devolution need urgent revision. To promise them more power should they graciously lower themselves to remain in the UK is absolutely preposterous. If they want independence (or, more accurately, alternative dependence) that's a matter for them. Granting them more powers is a matter for the Westminster Parliament and it should be resisted.
Absolutely, OG. And that is what the ridiculous devolution arrangements are allowing the Scots to do. They have a devolved government with powers which far exceed anything elsewhere in the UK and there is absolutely no justification for it whatsoever. In many respects London has far more right to such devolution than Scotland ever has but such a move would be equally ridiculous.
As I said yesterday, if and when a second referendum is countenanced, far from promising more devolved powers (which Cameron and his mates flew up to Edinburgh to pledge on the eve of the first one) the Scots should be left in no doubt that no further devolution will take place. The SNP exists merely to campaign for independence and is making a complete pig's ear of governing Scotland. In my view some aspects of devolution need urgent revision. To promise them more power should they graciously lower themselves to remain in the UK is absolutely preposterous. If they want independence (or, more accurately, alternative dependence) that's a matter for them. Granting them more powers is a matter for the Westminster Parliament and it should be resisted.
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