Has Sweden Learnt The Lesson, That Others Should Now Follow?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4396224/Sweden-never-mass-immigration-PM-says.html

/// Stefan Löfven pledged to change his country's liberal attitude, insisting the massive influx allowed during the 2015 migrant crisis would never happen again. ///

[-Talbot-]

5 Months to the election ... politicians say anything to stay in power.

[-Talbot-]

ah, it is in 2018 not 17.

There seems lots of support for illegal immigrants across the whole of Europe, he may change his mind when a few action groups call him racist.

[sp1814]

He's conflating two different types of migration.

There's legal economic migration, and there's asylum. The constraints which apply to the two forms are (and should be) different and exclusive.

[youngmafbog]

Agree SP.

However personally I think Sweden has had it. The product of ultra liberal elitism. The people are now paying the price dearly.

[sp1814]

youngmafbog

I don't think there's a correlation between liberalism and crime.

Sweden is down at a lowly 175th (right next to the UK) in the world ranking for homicides according to Wikipedia.

This is well below those countries renowned for their conservatism, such as Austria, China, India, Sri Lanka, Kuwait, Nepal, Saudi Arabia, Brazil, Ecuador, Peru and the United States of America.

[Khandro]

sp //There's legal economic migration, and there's asylum//

It matters little whether they come legally or illegally, they have all in their midst those who have contributed to make Sweden the rape-capital of Europe.
Apart from Pat Condell's videao, I have first-hand evidence of this from a close friends daughter.

[New Judge]

"I have first-hand evidence of this from a close friends daughter."

That's third-hand evidence, Khandro. What would be known in the legal trade as "hearsay" (or even "hearsay, hearsay!) :-)

But I know what you mean.

[youngmafbog]

The liberalism relates to the 'multicuturalism' which we can see leads to violent (rape etc) crime.

[Khandro]

NJ, But if she told me isn't that first hand?

[New Judge]

"NJ, But if she told me isn't that first hand?"

No, because you did not witness what happened. You cannot give evidence in court about events that somebody else has told you of but which you didn't witness. It's called "hearsay" evidence and is not, bar in a few exceptional circumstances, admissable. If Jane tells you that New Judge punched her in the face you cannot go to court and say "New Judge punched Jane in the face" because you didn't see it happen.

[Khandro]

point taken :0)

[emmie]

too little and way too late,

[Khandro]

Though hang on; If she wrote and said "I've had to leave Sweden (after living there 20 years) and take my girls back to the USA because it has become a frightening place to live for us".
Isn't that first hand, or do I have to actually go to Florida and see her there?

[emmie]

khandro
that is a very compelling piece, i confess it makes me scared for UK let alone the rest of Europe.

[New Judge]

It isn't evidence of Sweden becoming a frightening place. It's only evidence of somebody telling you (whether they do so by e-Mail, letter of face to face) that they believe Sweden is becoming a frightening place. To be able to give evidence that Sweden is becoming a frightening place you would have to live there and experience the fright for yourself. Even then you could only say that you were frightened and not necessarily that everybody else was.

[Jackdaw33]

Even if you did go to Florida it would still be second-hand hearsay. You would need to go to Sweden and see for yourself.

[Jackdaw33]

Crossed posts with NJ.

[anotheoldgit]

Pack it in chaps, I think most of us must know by now that not only Sweden but also the whole of Europe is now becoming a frightening place.

Do we have to wait until we discover it for ourselves? If so there is little use for newspapers and TV reports.

We should just wait to find out for ourselves.

[Khandro]

Sorry AOG, we were straying on a point of law. It appears you would have to go to Sweden and actually be raped yourself before anyone will listen, and even then no one would listen - which is more or less what is happening anyway! :0)