Syria War: Anger After Russia Vetoes Resolution At Un

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39585071

If anybody still thinks that Russia is a benign force in the world, they can now see, quite clearly, how Putin supports his friend, Assad the Butcher. This is now the 8th time that they have vetoed resolutions at the UN.

[waterboatman]

Thank you mikey. Sadly that's the way of it and the rest of the world are doing nothing.

[ichkeria]

Had that resolution been passed they'd have gone there now to investigate.
I'd be interested to hear what alternative scenarios there are given that we already have published tracking of the flight from the airbase, intercept of the callsign, the probable identity of the pilot - a known chemical weapons bomber, evidence of the crater in the road caused by the dropping of the missile.

[naomi24]

ichkeria, different scenarios, but looking at it from the point of view of the West, if Russia is calling for an independent enquiry and the accusers are positive that they have it in the bag, so to speak, then why not concede and remove all doubt? Surely a win/win situation?

[mikey4444]

Boaty...sadly that is true. I wonder what the Balkans would look like now, if the free world had just sat on its hands ?

[anotheoldgit]

mikey4444
/// Its time to get tough with him and Putin....the free world have been faffing around for years. ///

What do you suggest mikey, following Bush and Blair's method?

It certainly worked with Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden, didn't it?

[ichkeria]

Obviously if what the Russians want happens then it will leave everyone in a state of 'pending the findings of an inquiry' mode and paralysed. Meanwhile evidence will be destroyed (as it was when an inquiry was held into the awarding of the 2018 World Cup for example).
An investigation could be carried out now, and you don't have to be Einstein to work out why they don't want that.
Putin even had the audacity to claim they 'further provocations' were planned in Damascus. In other words he's telling everyone that this is all the work of Assad's enemies. He's not waiting for any 'inquiry' either it seems.

[naomi24]

ichkeria, I think their bluff - if it is a bluff - should be called.

[mikey4444]

Itchy....I wouldn't trust Putin as far as I could throw him, and that wouldn't be very far at all !

[Khandro]

mikey //was that supposed to be funny ?//
No, he actually is an eye-surgeon (a London-trained ophthalmologist) not a butcher, so maybe it's you who are being funny.
America's posturing is [i] un coup de théâtre [i] for home consumption.
Trump gains, but has lost my support, though he won't lose much sleep over that.

[youngmafbog]

And I would not trust any 'findings' of WMD further than I could throw them either. Once bitten twoce shy.

And I still have not heard anyone who calls for the toppling of Assad (yes the butcher) coming up with what happens to Syria afterwards. That is; Who takes over and reduces the bloodshed not increase it as is likely to happen?

[naomi24]

Mikey, that means little. Reading your posts up until a few days ago, one could have been forgiven for thinking that Trump had horns and a tail. ;o)

[anotheoldgit]

youngmafbog

/// Who takes over and reduces the bloodshed not increase it as is likely to happen? ///

Sensible thinking isn't a virtue where key-board warriors are concerned.

[youngmafbog]

So it seems, and I must admit being guilty of it sometimes myself.

But, we have been bitten a few times in the Middle East. We nedd to learn from it.

[Peter Pedant]

// This is now the 8th time that they have vetoed resolutions at the UN.//

syrian resolutions surely

during the cold war - Russia vetoed security council resolutions 2047 times ( or something) - they had also insisted that all the republics in the USSR ( and there were lots) were each given a vote in the general council to weight the voting toward Russia ( it didnt work)

[Peter Pedant]

// Reading your posts up until a few days ago, one could have been forgiven for thinking that Trump had horns and a tail.//

erm can we keep this Russian please ?

The iranians boasted they had deselected Jimmy carter and elected Ronald Reagan and it wasnt to their advantage at all
Russia seems to have done the same - pulled strings hard to get Trumpo elected

I bet those Ruskies demanded Sean thingey should be press secretary

[anotheoldgit]

Peter Pedant
/// The iranians boasted they had deselected Jimmy carter and elected Ronald Reagan and it wasnt to their advantage at all ///

erm can we keep this Russian please ?

[ichkeria]

(Let's keep it Russian, oh keyboard warriors :-) )

For many years the Soviet Union vetoed Ireland's membership of the UN (and also the membership of Portugal, Italy and Austria)
What, the Soviet Union is not the same as Russia, I hear some cry ...

[ichkeria]

"The iranians boasted they had deselected Jimmy carter and elected Ronald Reagan and it wasnt to their advantage at all
Russia seems to have done the same - pulled strings hard to get Trumpo elected "

I don't know if any fans of the old Dr Who remember the scene where the Daleks turn on Davros at the end of "Genesis of the Daleks" - this feels a bit like that :-)

[Peter Pedant]

/// The iranians boasted they had deselected Jimmy carter and elected Ronald Reagan and it wasnt to their advantage at all ///

the russians have interfered with an american election
and it has happened before:
the iranians boasted .... and it did them little good

and so we see that the russian interference ( if it be that blah blah blah) has also done them little good

there is a logical connection and thank you or allowing me to re-point it out again

The russian veto has paralysed action by the UN over the last fifty years or so - altho that was not the design

[Peter Pedant]

// if any fans of the old Dr Who remember the scene where the Daleks turn on Davros at the end of "Genesis of the Daleks" //

also at the end of the Reign of Terror ( 1793 death of Robespierre)- there were rowlandson cartoons of the Revolution eating its own children- as Cronus I think

I dont think the Syrian govt is imploding in this way