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The Tories Are Coming! What It Means.......
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....is that people are going to vote for cuts and austerity. If they get a large majority at the GE in June I wouldn't be surprised to see them privatize a lot of the NHS and put a compulsory charge on education. You see, people in this country are loaded aren't they? Most people own a car, take foreign holidays; own a mobile phone and a computer; own a flat screen tv and Playstation or equivalent; give to charity in record amounts. Everyone's got pots of cash and can afford the pending rise in new taxes and local govt cuts. You've never had it so good, have you? The Tories want a lot of that off you. It's coming!
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That's the trouble with allowing parties into politics, isn't it. You have to decide on the total bundle of things they want to do and not be able to have your democratic say on each individual subject.
But when the other parties rule themselves out of being electable by supporting the continued subjugation of our country to an undemocratic, mostly foreign elite rather than support our country in ruling itself, siting/fearing possible minor economic issues during any transition period as their excuse, then we are left with a choice from the few groups left. Did you prefer a Tory or UKIP government ?
Meanwhile all others will have a full term to think about what they've done, and to start to listen to the people that they are supposed to serve rather than fool and manipulate, and to get with the programme.
But when the other parties rule themselves out of being electable by supporting the continued subjugation of our country to an undemocratic, mostly foreign elite rather than support our country in ruling itself, siting/fearing possible minor economic issues during any transition period as their excuse, then we are left with a choice from the few groups left. Did you prefer a Tory or UKIP government ?
Meanwhile all others will have a full term to think about what they've done, and to start to listen to the people that they are supposed to serve rather than fool and manipulate, and to get with the programme.
Ref. the 16:30 & 16:32 posts. Where did I say that this was my "wish"?
The reply is merely another illustration of the tactic of planting false intent, in an insidious and misleading manner. A tactic that has been worn thin by the left who now have to come to terms with the fact that they have been rumbled. No one believes the myth that they are doing it for the good of us all anymore, we have seen through the greed and envy. To say nothing of the pique when they don't get their own way.
The reply is merely another illustration of the tactic of planting false intent, in an insidious and misleading manner. A tactic that has been worn thin by the left who now have to come to terms with the fact that they have been rumbled. No one believes the myth that they are doing it for the good of us all anymore, we have seen through the greed and envy. To say nothing of the pique when they don't get their own way.
Well said 10Clarionst !
I posted a link a couple of days ago that said that Mrs May is going to turn up the austerity cuts, and people will still support her ! A classic case of turkeys enthusiastically voting for Xmas.
The NHS and the Social Care system desperately need funding and all this Government has done is to pile more misery on top of all the previous misery.
Tax cuts for big business and the already quite wealthy and spending cuts for the rest of us. Under the Tories, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.....its the Tory way, and has ever been thus.
I posted a link a couple of days ago that said that Mrs May is going to turn up the austerity cuts, and people will still support her ! A classic case of turkeys enthusiastically voting for Xmas.
The NHS and the Social Care system desperately need funding and all this Government has done is to pile more misery on top of all the previous misery.
Tax cuts for big business and the already quite wealthy and spending cuts for the rest of us. Under the Tories, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.....its the Tory way, and has ever been thus.
ymb....the Care System has effectively been privatised for years now, and it just isn't working. Council budgets have been slashed, the private companies running our Care Sector already pay minimum wage, and less, if they can get away with it.
And yet care homes are closing every day. How would you like your aged relatives to have just 15 mins essential care a day ?
And yet care homes are closing every day. How would you like your aged relatives to have just 15 mins essential care a day ?
Perhaps if people hadn't been lulled, by the social manipulators, into the belief that they were "entitled" to have someone else look after their elderly relatives they would take some responsibility themselves. The same goes for the development of their children too. Vote Layboor, dump your kids and parents on the state. We will do the job then blame and castigate the ones who want to take responsibility for themselves. Meehh.
People that vote Tory in this election may well be voting for austerity but it is with an open mind on making the country better.
It is with a 'taking responsibility' mind set.
It is with creating an economic environment that our children and children etc etc can be proud of mind set.
It is a vote from people who are realists and don't have their head stuck in the sand waiting for the kick up the bum.
Or if we want to turn it on its head. Voting Labour is like Turkeys voting for the end of Christmas. No need of Turkeys... off to the saluter house for you.
I do rather like the idea of voting on specific policies as well as MPs. The policies with the most votes are then what the government has to enact.
It is with a 'taking responsibility' mind set.
It is with creating an economic environment that our children and children etc etc can be proud of mind set.
It is a vote from people who are realists and don't have their head stuck in the sand waiting for the kick up the bum.
Or if we want to turn it on its head. Voting Labour is like Turkeys voting for the end of Christmas. No need of Turkeys... off to the saluter house for you.
I do rather like the idea of voting on specific policies as well as MPs. The policies with the most votes are then what the government has to enact.
It's rather funny. I distinctly remember at the last election that Labour's leader was apparently unsuitable and dangerous to the country because of his unwieldy spending pledges - yet the Tories have easily matched Labour's proposed level of spending in that election (though not the same targets) without increasing revenue to pay for it. As such UK's debt-to-GDP ratio is significantly higher today than it was under Labour pre-2008 and has not significantly improved at any point in the last 7 years.
Yet here we are again. Labour are apparently the party of fiscal irresponsibility despite the Tories mimicking their spending plans and not even bothering to raise taxes to fund them (and also cutting public services to boot). The Tories have also committed to fixing energy prices - another policy straight from Ed Miliband's manifesto, but when they do it it's "stable" and "sensible", whereas when Labour does it, it's dangerous and irresponsible.
Yet here we are again. Labour are apparently the party of fiscal irresponsibility despite the Tories mimicking their spending plans and not even bothering to raise taxes to fund them (and also cutting public services to boot). The Tories have also committed to fixing energy prices - another policy straight from Ed Miliband's manifesto, but when they do it it's "stable" and "sensible", whereas when Labour does it, it's dangerous and irresponsible.
What was the other famous pledge the Conservatives made in 2015?
Something to do with stability? And strength?
Oh, it's on the tip of my tongue. Doesn't matter anyway. The country's been so stable since 2015, I'm sure they'll keep that promise this time.
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Something to do with stability? And strength?
Oh, it's on the tip of my tongue. Doesn't matter anyway. The country's been so stable since 2015, I'm sure they'll keep that promise this time.
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I'm marginally less concerned about what it means *now* than what it means for the future, if I'm honest. The agenda for the next few years is not exactly something that the Tory party has any control over -- small wonder they've trumpeted the "strong and stable" thing over and over, for want of actually saying anything -- but then the same is true of any party that would be stuck with negotiating Brexit. The EU's position isn't going to change because Theresa May has 450 seats rather than 350, and it wouldn't change if by some miracle (or perhaps some freak accident) it was Corbyn who ended up in office.
No, what really worries me is that all the signs are that we are headed for a landslide of huge proportions that would make 1997 seem a modest lead by comparison. Which means that the Tories will be locked into office for at least another three or four election cycles, and can't in practice be held to account for anything they do in that time. It's unhealthy for democracy to have, effectively, a one-party system for so long. But, if indeed Labour gets reduced to fewer than 150 seats, the Lib Dems go nowhere, and the SNP goes slightly backwards, then that's what we'll be left with. "Strong and stable" is not actually a good thing, in and of itself; Kim Jong Un's regime is "Strong and Stable" (for the time being, at least); so was Stalin's Russia, or Mao's China, etc etc...
The Tories don't register on that scale, of course, but the point is still that actually a strong opposition is vitally important. Theresa May, by pretending it's actually an irritant, is playing a very dangerous game that she has a stupidly high chance of "winning", because I fear that a lot of voters will believe her.
I can't say I'd want to see Corbyn in charge either, but coming a reasonably close second isn't "in charge", it's just giving the strong opposition that creates a stable and accountable government. And, at any rate, he's at least leading a party that's measurably different from the Tories at the moment.
I don't see anything other than a Tory landslide; even Tory supporters should be apprehensive about that outcome.
(As an aside, this whole thing is yet another reason why I hate First Past the Post; it's just so unsubtle. I don't want to give my support to Labour exactly; if I vote for them it's out of a desire to see some strength to the opposition parties. But all the ballot box sees is an X next to Labour, which is as good as 100% support, which is exactly not what I'd want to say. Ho hum...)
No, what really worries me is that all the signs are that we are headed for a landslide of huge proportions that would make 1997 seem a modest lead by comparison. Which means that the Tories will be locked into office for at least another three or four election cycles, and can't in practice be held to account for anything they do in that time. It's unhealthy for democracy to have, effectively, a one-party system for so long. But, if indeed Labour gets reduced to fewer than 150 seats, the Lib Dems go nowhere, and the SNP goes slightly backwards, then that's what we'll be left with. "Strong and stable" is not actually a good thing, in and of itself; Kim Jong Un's regime is "Strong and Stable" (for the time being, at least); so was Stalin's Russia, or Mao's China, etc etc...
The Tories don't register on that scale, of course, but the point is still that actually a strong opposition is vitally important. Theresa May, by pretending it's actually an irritant, is playing a very dangerous game that she has a stupidly high chance of "winning", because I fear that a lot of voters will believe her.
I can't say I'd want to see Corbyn in charge either, but coming a reasonably close second isn't "in charge", it's just giving the strong opposition that creates a stable and accountable government. And, at any rate, he's at least leading a party that's measurably different from the Tories at the moment.
I don't see anything other than a Tory landslide; even Tory supporters should be apprehensive about that outcome.
(As an aside, this whole thing is yet another reason why I hate First Past the Post; it's just so unsubtle. I don't want to give my support to Labour exactly; if I vote for them it's out of a desire to see some strength to the opposition parties. But all the ballot box sees is an X next to Labour, which is as good as 100% support, which is exactly not what I'd want to say. Ho hum...)
There’s a strange anomaly going on here. Jim says “the point is still that actually a strong opposition is vitally important”, and although he’s right, that’s precisely what we don’t have. Rather than vilifying the Tories, the finger should more accurately be pointing at a weak and ineffectual Labour party that is, without doubt, unfit to govern. Hopefully, most of the electorate recognise that, but if those who don’t think that a Labour government would result in some sort of perfect Utopia that offers wonderful benefits to the country and a buoyant and thriving NHS, they’re sadly deluded. Labour and its supporters are mired, intellectually, in notions of an ideological fantasy world that cannot exist.
Nailit, there we go. Tugging at the heartstrings again. I doubt very much that your man is the only one ever to miss an appointment and, therefore, there has to be more to that story than meets the eye – but don’t let that stop you spinning.
Nailit, there we go. Tugging at the heartstrings again. I doubt very much that your man is the only one ever to miss an appointment and, therefore, there has to be more to that story than meets the eye – but don’t let that stop you spinning.
