Why Do Labour Despise The Middle Earners So Much?

[Deskdiary]

The left of Trotsky, Mad John McDonnell, has said the 'rich' earning over £80,000 will be taxed at a higher rate than others - John Ashworth this morning said we are asking (as if it would be a choice) that those with the broadest shoulders in society contribute more.

The broadest shoulders comment really irritated me because those with a broadest shoulders already proportionally contribute more to society as it is, and those with the broadest shoulders will in the most part take less out of society, so why do they want to squeeze them even more?

I would not describe somebody earning £80,000 as rich - and I find it interesting that McDonnell has chosen a threshold that is just above most MPs salaries!

[youngmafbog]

Doesn't work that way Mickey.

As I pointed ut in an earlier post you have ignored it would not be a 'modest' sum and as such would breed discontent and provoke people (who can do it) take measures to avoid tax.

[Kromovaracun]

Actually the Tories don't bother to raise extra revenue, they just lie about their spending plans and then borrow to cover it.

http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/debt_history

It's alright, Labour are the party of fiscal irresponsibility though...

[Jackdaw33]

//Desk diary....that is the way that Tories raise extra revenue....by increasing taxation for everybody. Labour doesn't do it that way\\

Now you're having a Turkish. Under Wilson, IT 33%. Now, 20%. Go figure.

[youngmafbog]

//or empty an accountant //


Sorry For Funks Sake and multi tasking(which as a man i struggle to do :-) )

Should have read 'employ an accountant'

[youngmafbog]

AB changed my Fat Fingered Syndrome to that ^^^^

[youngmafbog]

No labour didnt lie, they left the truth:

'sorry there is no money'

[Kromovaracun]

Which was a joke, as is customary when the Treasury changes hands.

Still, let's not let inconvenient things like the facts get in the way of blindly partisan opinions.

[New Judge]

"A free-to-use hospital or school cannot be run like a private business, they are fundamentally different enterprises."

Schools and hospitals are not "free to use". They may be free of charge at the point of service but they are by no means free.

The problem is that users have the notion that the services are "free" and so often abuse them. Similarly those running them seem to have in mind that their income is guaranteed, no matter how well or badly their service performs.

Some much needed realism needs to be injected to both the providers and users of those services.

[Kromovaracun]

"Schools and hospitals are not "free to use". They may be free of charge at the point of service but they are by no means free."

Free of point of use is, obviously, what I meant when I said "free to use". I did not say they were free to run.

[naomi24]

I agree with Deskdiary. Those earning £80,000 aren’t ‘rich’; they already pay higher taxes, and quite often take less from society. Additionally, companies don’t pay high wages to employees without reason. Mikey asks what’s wrong with increasing the tax burden on those people, and as though a light has suddenly switched on in his head encourages his readers to vote Labour in order to save themselves from higher taxes. Typical Labour. Remove all incentive to work hard and do well - and take all you can get at someone else’s expense.

[cassa333]

Venezuela, Venezuela, oh happy happy land.
Venezuela, Venezuela, oh socialist utopia.
Venezuela, Venezuela, oh 1600% inflation rate.

[Deskdiary]

Mikey - "Desk diary....that is the way that Tories raise extra revenue....by increasing taxation for everybody. Labour doesn't do it that way, and that is the choice that people will be have in June.

To have increased taxes under the Tories, or for only 5% to have increased taxation under Labour."

So there we have it. Labour are discriminatory.

You asked earlier why it is so wrong for the top 5% to be taxed further. This is the wrong question to be asking. The correct questions are why should the top 5% be taxed further when they are already contributing significantly, and why, if there must be increased revenues from personal taxation, isn't the burden shouldered by all tax payers?

[Bigbad]

Probably because most Labour voters will never earn 80K, so they will approve of it.

I don’t see why people who have educated themselves, or started at the bottom of the ladder and worked their way up, should have to keep propping up those that haven’t done so.

Besides, 80K P/A is hardly rich, and people of all incomes use the services funded by taxation, so if an increase is necessary, then it should be for everyone.

[Old_Geezer]

Tories do tax all when they want to raise revenue. By increasing 'stealth taxes' on spending. They also claim to be reducing taxes by reducing the fairest tax, income tax. A switch that seems to fool many.

[naomi24]

If I recall, Labour abolished the fairest tax – the 10p rate for low earners – but perhaps best we don’t mention that ’cos we all know it’s the Tories wot are the villains! ;o)