Terrorist Attack Or Hatred Attack?

[saintpeter48]

Why are most news outlets saying that last nights attack was a 'terrorist attack'!
Thats not the way I see it, it was some deluded idiot, with his own agenda, who felt the need to attack people who follow Islam, surely thats not a terrorist attack.
Has it been given that title to try and appease muslims?

[Peter Pedant]

has come up in one of the other threads
clearly doesnt comply with Terrorism act definition
( with intent to influence or bring down HMG )

[anotheoldgit]

The authorities will go all out to get the maximum sentence for this disarranged individual.

Anything less will undoubtedly upset our Muslim communities, and we don't want that, now do we?

[Peter Pedant]

if you raise health issue in a criminal process
they are allowed to lock you away permo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Sutcliffe

[kvalidir]

Of course it's a terrorist attack. It's an attack upon civilians designed to strike terror into the greater populace with a political overtone. I cannot believe the excuses for not labelling it so. Oh wait yes I can it's this:- https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ueLSYUh49Ss/V123LxN8egI/AAAAAAAAXcs/gmKaeBKDuJ4FnY8o-U1Xt-AEnVD5yu-PACLcB/s320/family_guy_skin_tone_chart.jpg

[CrapAtCryptics]

Unemployed fruit loop with too much time on his hands......

[Khandro]

I don't think labelling someone as insane is helpful whatever their ideology and motivation. All members of so called ISIS are not insane and neither is this guy probably, they all have a clear reasons for doing what they do and just because we don't agree with it doesn't make them insane.

[Gromit]

// Osborne was arrested on suspicion of commission, preparation or instigation of terrorism including murder and attempted murder. //

I expect the charges will be revised.

The man who died was possibly dead already, we will have to wait to see the medical evidence.

I do not know the legal definition of terrorism, it is almost certainly different from the dictionary definition, but to my eyes he is a (attempted) murderer, and not someone with an ideological agenda. I doubt he will face terrorism charges.

Reports say he being treated for a known medical condition, and he was on medication. And his mental state is repirted to have worsen lately according to people who knew him. He had been binge drinking the day before, and acted drunk on his arrest. So the medical examination on his health will also be a determining factor on what he is charged with.

My guess is attempted murder, and a defence of diminished responsibilty. Then it is up to the jury if they believe that.

[-Talbot-]

If it is just down to being a bit mad ... why didn't he just run over random people instead of targeting a particular group?


Vlad, your cartoon is nonsense.

[naomi24]

kvalidir, I don’t see anyone making excuses to call it something other than terrorism, but simply attempting to define it in the correct terms. The method was identical to recent terror attacks, the result, although not as devastating, comparable. The only thing that doesn’t compare is the all important motive, which in my opinion, was simply one man’s attempt at retribution for what is happening in this country and in the rest of Europe.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

Will the jury be chosen randomly or will it be forced to show diversity?

[youngmafbog]

Yes, it now appears he had collapsed prior. Difficult to tell if the idiot finally killed him or he was already dead.

So your assessment seems spot on Gromit.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4619674/Daughter-saw-father-die-Finsbury-Park-attack.html#comments

[sp1814]

AOG

You wrote:

The authorities will go all out to get the maximum sentence for this disarranged individual.[i

[i]Anything less will undoubtedly upset our Muslim communities, and we don't want that, now do we?]

Anything less will undoubtedly upset all of us who don't believe in murdering innocent people.

Do you include yourself in that group?

Oh, and 'disarranged'?

[sp1814]

naomi24

[i]was simply one man’s attempt at retribution for what is happening in this country and in the rest of Europe.[i]

No.

Just...no.

Retribution would be where someone attempts to kill Michael Adebolajo or Michael Adebowale.

It ain't retribution when you randomly attack innocent people.

If you get mugged by a teenage, then six weeks later drive at a group of kids leaving school, you're not seeking retribution because those kids have nothing to do with the one who mugged you.

[sp1814]

I'm having bracket issues.

[-Talbot-]

youngmafbog
Yes, it now appears he had collapsed prior.



Now?
Surely you didn't find that out @ 12:42 Tue 20th Jun 2017?

[naomi24]

sp, I know, but that isn’t how the perpetrator sees it – in my opinion. Bit like when apologists for Islam say that Muslims who detonate their suicide vests around innocent people are acting in retribution for the Crusades or for the West’s invasion of wherever. Were you there? No, me neither.

[sp1814]

naomi24

I think that Crusades argument has been well and truly superseded.

The reason (excuse) proffered nowadays is that suicide bombers are radicalised by fanatics who point to our actions in supporting one faction against another in various conflicts in the Middle East.

The whole illegal War on Terror, coupled with our frantically nutty support of rebels then governments in Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan etc completely wipe out any idea that the Crusades are a determining factor here.

All fanatics have to do is show burned out villages and say, "This is what western governments are doing in order", and boom - you've got radicalised youths.

That works better than abstracts in history books.

[sp1814]

naomi24

Another reason I think that recent political and military action is a bigger driver towards radicalisation is that Crusades kicked off about 900 years ago.

Radical Islamist terrorism at the scale we are seeing now in the west started in the past couple of decades.

[naomi24]

SP, //I think that Crusades argument has been well and truly superseded.//

You do? You'd be mistaken.

[sp1814]

No, I really think that more recent events are the bigger driver here. Perhaps the Crusades are referenced, but a much stronger 'reason' would be pictures and videos relating to events that are happening in the ME now, not stories about what happened back then.