Grenfell Tower Manslaughter Charges?

[EDDIE51]

Police are now considering Manslaughter charges ( as I predicted)
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/23/grenfell-tower-fire-police-considering-manslaughter-charges
In theory at least could the MP's who voted against the implementation of safety updates be charged ?
If so what happens to them , will they be forced to resign?
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/tories-have-blocked-labour-legislation-to-improve-rented-homes-but-its-complicated
71 Tory landlord MP's voted down rule changes that would have made council owned homes safer from fire!
http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/the-71-tory-landlord-mps-who-voted-down.html

[emmie]

how about many wretched councils our own included skimp corners off everything to do with social housing..
not just cladding, but put work out to the lowest common denominator.

[EDDIE51]

^ yes council officials as well , they have ignored many warnings that the block was unsafe!

[Ellipsis]

People talk about cost-cutting, it would only have cost £5000 more to clad the building in a better material, etc. but this misses the point.

There is no way on earth that "flammable" cladding is acceptable. Price does not come into it. It is not acceptable at any price.

It's nothing to do with cutting costs. It's to do with gross incompetence. How is it possible that a tower block was wrapped in flammable material?

It reminds me of flammable clothing as in the case of Claudia Winkleman's little daughter, whose Halloween outfit went up in flames. How much did the clothing cost? WHO CARES?!! Flammability is wrong for clothing and wrong for cladding, at any cost. It should not be legal.

[anotheoldgit]

Perhaps before they issue manslaughter charges don't you think that they should first find out who or what started off the fire?

[dannyk13]

AOG,look at related questions below

[Islay]

They have AOG it was a hointpoint fridge-freezer!

[EDDIE51]

AOG, the point is NOT what started the fire!
It is that unsafe, flammable cladding caused the fire to spread very rapidly. What should have been a minor fire confined to just one flat spread in a few minutes to the entire block!
Also many warnings from residents groups and even from the fire brigade were ignored !

[dannyk13]

Eddie, if the fire brigade were giving warnings, why was the property given a fire certificate.

[mikey4444]

Eddie...with you all the way on this. But whether anyone will be convicted is doubtful.

[Peter Pedant]

well I am gobbus-smactus in an open mouthed manner

I can understand builders around the corner cutting corners but this was a mega-deal worth a few mill ....

[EDDIE51]

dannyk13, That's exactly what I want to know! Pleases tell me if you find an answer! A fire safety certificate SHOULD NOT have been issued but apparently it was !

[New Judge]

"In theory at least could the MP's who voted against the implementation of safety updates be charged ?"

Why? They voted as they saw fit. It was not they as individuals that made the decision but Parliament.

[New Judge]

"A fire safety certificate SHOULD NOT have been issued but apparently it was !"

Better put whoever issued it up before the Beak as well then.

[albaqwerty]

am loathe to say it, but I need to.

the word 'back-hander' springs to mind

[New Judge]

"...the word 'back-hander' springs to mind"

Yes "backhander" and "local authority" often go hand in hand. There was a headline in one of today's papers which read (something like) "Did they cut corners and pocket the difference?" Of course they did not specify who had pocketed the difference or whether and with whom they shared it.

[mikey4444]

CH4 News this showed the tests done on the cladding used on Grenfell Tower. It was horrific....it caught alight almost immediately. And yet the firm that makes it said that it had passed all their tests.

How could that possibility be the case ?

CH4 also demonstrated the same test, on a sample of cladding with the mineral wool insulation and it didn't catch fire....at all.

Something has gone very wrong here.

[ToraToraTora]

how did it pass the fire inspection?

[murraymints]

in a brown paper bag TTT ?

[mikey4444]

TTT....A question that we hope will be asked on day one of the Enquiry. Personally, I smell a giant rat here !