Six Months Imprisonment For Hitting Someone With A Pack Of Bacon, Is That Too Harsh?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4653826/Racist-thug-hit-Muslim-teen-packet-bacon.html

While physical attacks of any sort should be condemned and punished, did this thug deserve imprisonment?

Interesting to note that it is reported that he was jailed for racially aggravated assault and then later the police vowed to crack down on race hate attacks.

Muslims are not a race.

[mikey4444]

Naomi...we rarely agree about many things, but on this issue you are bang on the nail. I am not really sure quite what AOG is trying say here.

[Islay]

mmmmmm there is only one person looking silly at the moment AOG and its not me!

[anotheoldgit]

mikey4444

/// Naomi for BA. ///

Buttering up again. you old butterer?

[sp1814]

I don't think AOG sounds like he sympathises with this thug at all, to be honest.

AOG - the reference to '24 Hours In Police Custody' is valid because we are discussing thugs who attack Muslims.

Or in that case, someone who just 'looked' Muslim.

[New Judge]

I haven't read all of this but just a point of clarification:

"Muslims are not a race."

Quite so. But the items of legislation which include a provision for more serious offences to be charged when the event is racially aggravated include aggravation on the grounds of religion.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// I don't think AOG sounds like he sympathises with this thug at all, to be honest. ///

Thank you sp, but there are some on here who like to interpret what I put in a way that is completely different to what I actually put, but then I suppose it amusers their simple little minds.

/// Or in that case, someone who just 'looked' Muslim. ///

Regards the Indian chappy you said that he was Hindu, I don't think Hindus look like Muslims.

[Gromit]

AOG,
You posted questioning whether the sentence was too long.
You may have been playing Devil's Advocat, but it seems fair that some people interpreted your question as supporting the view that it was too severe.
If you just wanted to test other contributors views on the sentence, why didn't you just ask "Is the 6 months sentence an appropriate punishment? " then people could have agreed or disagreed. But you used a leading question, hoping for answers that supported that the sentence is too harsh.

[anotheoldgit]

Thank you New Judge for your clarification, but do you think that this attack was 'racially aggravated'?

Would the same charge been made if the young girl had been a white Muslim?

[sp1814]

AOG

The charge would be 'racially or religiously motivated'.

[sp1814]

gromit

Devil's Advocat would've a delicious, but potent egg-based aperitif that one would enjoy at Christmas.

Devil's Advocate however...

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

I've done it again, so sorry Gromit, I must come to you before I construct my headlines.

But to you and all those others, my headline was based not on the fact that I support this thug, but because we have seen much more serious crimes get away with much less harsher sentences.

Being a supporter of a level playing field, I suspect that if this case hadn't involve the Muslim element the sentence would have been much less.

[Mamyalynne]

Oh we knew what you meant, it's usually obvious.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// The charge would be 'racially or religiously motivated'. ///

What about this then?

The girl happened to be a white Protestant or Roman Catholic?

[Islay]

*chortlesplutters*

[Mamyalynne]

You know that shovel I lent you some months back - have you traded it in for a JCB?

[anotheoldgit]

Mamyalynne

/// Oh we knew what you meant, it's usually obvious. ///

Oh really, then why have I spent the last 2 hours plus, trying to make you understand?

[Mamyalynne]

I haven't a clue.

[mikey4444]

AOG....with respect....give it a rest. I couldn't give a monkeys if we describe this as racially motivated attack, or a religiously motivated attack.

Alex Chivers is an ignorant and dangerous thug and as far as I am concerned, he is now off the streets, for a few weeks at least.

[THECORBYLOON]

If the victim had been a white Muslim, why would you not think it had been religiously aggravated assault still?

[trt]

Far to long IMO.

Muslims have got off a lot lighter, if none, for their aggressive behavior in the past on marches, with racial outburst, and violance etc.

The reason the courts give these harsh sentences to non Muslims, is they think it will stop any more trouble, but in fact it makes matters worse, as the British people will not keep putting up with it, and retaliate.

Another reason is, these judges dont have to live in the neighbourhoods where Muslim family's with lots of kids, who receive free housing & benefits.

We have never had this kind of problem in the UK before, until the Government started letting them in, and it will only get worse in the future.

Wake up people.