Is There Still A Need For This Expensive And Disruptive Exercise, In This Country?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4677058/One-million-people-gather-London-UK-s-biggest-Pride.html

Perhaps in those countries that are not so acceptive to homosexuality, but surely there is now no longer need here?

[Mamyalynne]

I think this thread has shown that largely we are a very loving and caring group, if tolerance continues at a pace that can only be for the good of us all.

[anotheoldgit]

Islay

I never said he wasn't,but if you read the whole of what I put and not what you wished I had put, I was comparing him and others, to those Gays who flaunt their campness at each and every opportunity.

[sp1814]

Some seriously odd comments AOG, but as I said before - totally understandable.

[anotheoldgit]

Mamyalynne

/// I think this thread has shown that largely we are a very loving and caring group, ///

Unfortunately, I don't think so, what this thread has shown is the intolerance shown towards those who happen to voice their own opinions, which once again may not tally with those who wish that everyone ticks all the correct PC boxes, and who are not allowed to hold any opinions of their own.

[sp1814]

AOG

How do you feel about men who flaunt their 'macho-ness' all the time, say for instance Danny Dyer or Ross Kemp?

[sp1814]

AOG

No, I think that this thread has shown than the majority of responders disagree with you and are happy about Pride

You're going to have to accept that sometimes people are nice, open, liberal and accepting because they were brought up that way, and their life experiences have lead them to where they are.

You are welcome to your opinion, but you should not assume that the rest of us should follow suit.

Life just isn't like that.

[Mamyalynne]

I didn't for one moment expect you to agree with me AOG, I think that is a lost hope.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// Some seriously odd comments AOG, but as I said before - totally understandable. ///

Matybe you should point out my seriously odd comments, so that I can see your real agenda.

Also explain your "totally understandable" remark, couldn't be because of the age I was born in because I wasn't born in the 1940s/1950s/1960s.

And no matter what age one was born in doesn't necessarily mean that one thinks in a different way to those born much later, although one must admit those born long ago possess a much more experience of life along with it's problems and virtues.

[Togo]

//'macho-ness'//

Machismo ?

[jno]

I think Danny and Ross make a lovely couple.

[jno]

I don't think machismo and macho-ness are the same thing, just as maleness isn't the same as manliness.

[sp1814]

This is what I think is odd:

//So enough of the invented hatred towards gays//

Oh, and Evan Davis and Judge Rinder have both given interviews in Attitude and GT respectively, where they have talked about being gay in their relative professions.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// You are welcome to your opinion, but you should not assume that the rest of us should follow suit. ///

Since it is Wimbledon fortnight can I deliver that one back in your court?

[sp1814]

Togo

Thank you.

I had a complete brain fart when trying to think of that word.

[gness]

I know this has been said before, AOG but you always fail to understand......

It's not the opinion......it's the way that opinion is expressed....

I could say......I'm not keen on men with beards....in a post.....
That, I think, would be fair enough.....

If I said....Men with beards are flawed weirdos and creeps......I'd be rude, hurtful and ill mannered......and expect to be shouted down....x

[sp1814]

AOG

You posited:

//And no matter what age one was born in doesn't necessarily mean that one thinks in a different way to those born much later//

Yes it does, because society changes with every successive generation.

You will get a proportion of one generation who are hugely liberal (as evidenced by some of the comments here) in terms of social and sexual attitudes, and then what we see is that proportion growing as successive generations come into adulthood.

Put this way - if in 2017 a poll was conducted asking whether gay men should be jailed, the proportion answering 'Yes' would be different from a similar poll carried out in 1957.

The same way that if a poll asked, "Should gay people be allowed to marry" the opposite way around.

We are shaped by our friends, family and society.

[anotheoldgit]

gness

To my knowledge no one on here has indicated that gays are flawed weirdos and creeps.

And no one on here would wish any harm done to them, the thread is about the need for the Pride March.

But that does not give gays the right not to be criticised, just the same as straights.

People are allowed to voice an opinion and just as long as that opinion does not cause harm or discrimination in any way, gays along with everyone else should learn to get over it.

So please stop shouting it from the roof tops "Look at me I am gay"

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// Put this way - if in 2017 a poll was conducted asking whether gay men should be jailed, the proportion answering 'Yes' would be different from a similar poll carried out in 1957. ///

You can't use that scenario, it is the ruling bodies that crate the laws, I can voice the opinions of 1957 because I was there, and I know no one who would wish gays to be jailed, in fact I remember a good few who lived in close proximity who were thought of very highly.

Now if you are talking about capital punishment, I would say that a very high number would today vote for it's return.

[sp1814]

AOG

Without conducting a poll in 1957, how can you be sure that outside your near acquaintances, the general public felt the same as you?

[sp1814]

This is illuminating

http://www.bsa.natcen.ac.uk/latest-report/british-social-attitudes-30/personal-relationships/homosexuality.aspx