Was The Conservative Party Right To Withdraw The Whip From Anne Marie Morris

[sp1814]

She claimed that the Brexit 'No deal is a n***** in a woodpile’

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/anne-marie-morris-racist_uk_5963b0cae4b03f144e2c7c78

Not even sure what this phrase means, especially in regard to Brexit (will look it up later), but perhaps in this instance the phrase is ill-considered rather than specifically offensive?

I mean she wasn't slagging off a black person - just using an out-of-date phrase?

[Peter Pedant]

// but to then act surprised when black people might also be upset about being described as "you black [insult]", or "you N", is the height of hypocrisy. ///

we havent had any vacant musing that packy is really bad and yet workie - postie and scrappy isnt
coupled with "why oh why"
and 'taboos are really stupid'
yet

[Ellipsis]

Any child who's read Tom Sawyer or especially Huck Finn will have come across the n-word a lot.

I like Guy Gibson and don't take issue with him calling his dog that, at that time.

I don't believe that books or films ought to be censored. Times change, hopefully for the better ... looking back allows us to see how things have changed.

[Peter Pedant]

// Black people aren't calling each other or themselves n______ to be offensive //

um sorry yes they do - or did
I heard a nurse tell a hospital plumber who would nt fix the heating in a ward - and turned to me and said "I can say that and you cant"
.

[Peter Pedant]

// I like Guy Gibson and don't take issue with him calling his dog that, at that time. //

as Macbeth would have said - he should have been called Rin Tin tin

Poor nee-share was called that and then blooooped out and now it is back in some prints ( historical accuracy )

[Togo]

Mustn't forget our "Western Oriental Gentlemen" either PP. (^_*)

[anotheoldgit]

I have just carried out a google image search, regarding certain past brand names and descriptions, they make one's hair curl these days.

I haven't supplied a link because it might be breaking Site Rules.

[Jackdaw33]

In parts of Wales, but only certain parts, the C word is a term of endearment.

[sp1814]

NJ

Let me assure you that black people in the U.K. do not generally use the N word.

You may have heard it used, but it's the exception, rather than the rule.

[Old_Geezer]

No one owns words. The simple rule seems to be that anyone can be hypocritical about things in order to try to allow themselves a right others are denied. It's just that some are tolerated more by others if there seems to be something self referential about their speech. Either a word is offensive or it is not. One can't have it both ways. In any case it's not the words, a sound is just a sound, it is how they are used, how they are meant, that can be considered offensive, or not.

[Togo]

You tell em Geezer, call a spade a spade . (^_*)

[Peter Pedant]

// In parts of Wales, but only certain parts, the C word is a term of endearment.//

silly bagger is like 'jerk' n Plymouth

I detected a Devon accent on the phone and commented 'prarper jarb moi larver' and SHE said o god I am facing disciplinary for saying down the phone - "my love or my lover" - and I said crikey that is a bit much......[ and the listener complained on some damn point or another ]

[Ellipsis]

> Either a word is offensive or it is not. One can't have it both ways.

Of course one can. We don't speak in binary. Context matters.

[sp1814]

O_G

You wrote:

//In any case it's not the words, a sound is just a sound, it is how they are used, how they are meant, that can be considered offensive, or not.//

Spot on.

[EDDIE51]

Enid Blyton wrote several books about The Three Golliwogs, this link shows the original names
The Three Golliwogs by Enid Blyton
www.enidblytonsociety.co.uk/book-details.php?id=418
Story: Sunny Stories No.247 Oct 3, 1941; The Three Golliwogs and the Cats ... Their names are different of course - Golly, Woggie, and *** .

[EDDIE51]

The N word has been **** out by AB censor , but it's there if you Google it.
Even worse the Three Golliwogs live in 'The Dark Wood' and make a living by robbing people!

[sp1814]

The past is another country. They do things differently there.

[sp1814]

10ClarionSt

It was regularly used without any intention of causing offence.

I can understand that, but to say that people "at some point, people felt the need to be offended by it" is a little way off. It might be because the word has historical associations that aren't exactly pleasant, and most sentient people came to realise that rather than using that term, a better substitution would be 'coloured' or latterly 'black'?

[anneasquith]

Another politician with no sense or filter,