Which Us Politicians Lie The Most?

[EDDIE51]

Just found an interesting web site
http://mannmetrics.com/who-lies-more/
Anyone care to comment?

[youngmafbog]

Clinton doesnt lie ? hahahahahaha, my sides are splitting.

Seriously though I guess it depends on what you classify as a lie, in addition remember it can only be a lie if you are found out.

This also doesnt really take account of real big porkies.

Be more interesting to see how our Politicians are rated.

[Khandro]

Trump has not lied, both the Clintons have.

[jim360]

Of course Trump lies. Who are you trying to kid, Khandro?

Note that there are *three* lying categories, and the "half-true" option is also not exactly flattering, so that would imply that Hillary Clinton lies/is economical with the truth about half the time.

[EDDIE51]

Read the comments as to how the statistics were compiled, it makes the point that ALL politicians lie!
However some lie more than others.

[Khandro]

jim; //Of course Trump lies. Who are you trying to kid, Khandro?//

Can you give some examples along with sources please?

[EDDIE51]

I would like to see the same for the UK, but I don't think the information is available.

[jim360]

Sure:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/890820505330212864

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/donald-trump-promises-repeal-replace-obamacare-44896284

[EDDIE51]

Here are the actual lies and the proof that they were lies.
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
You can independently verify each and every one of the proofs that he was lying! All the sources are given.

[weecalf]

I would be lying if I said I cared wan way or the other

[mikey4444]

" I build great walls"

"I am going to stop all Muslims from coming to America"

“Now, the audience was the biggest ever. But this crowd was massive. Look how far back it goes. This crowd was massive"

" “Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my ‘wires tapped’ in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!”

Loads of other lies :::::

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html

[albaqwerty]

am extremely disappointed that no-one has posted the famous lines

'how can you tell a politician is lying?'
'His lips move'

[Khandro]

Oh dear ! 'Politifact' (what's that?) !!! Twitter !!! ABC News !!! - you forgot CNN, - gimme a break.

If the Donald had told any real, substantial porkies, there wouldn't be any doubt about it, it would be gleefully plastered all over the world's press.

[jim360]

And just in case you need me to be explicit, the lie is in the first tweet, ie that he had argued all along to just let Obamacare die out (by which he means deliberately "kill" it in order to force action), whereas in speech after speech he made clear that his plan was to "immediately" repeal and replace it.

In fact, in the tweet he sent literally before that one, he called for Obamacare to be repealed. Doesn't even leave time between his flip-flopping.

Roughly speaking, there's one lie or distortion of the truth per Trump tweet. And that's not exactly one-to-one, sometimes he managed to squeeze two or three into a single tweet to make up for the occasionally honest lines he comes out with.

Then there's his blatant and transparent lie over his role in the Birther Conspiracy; his lie about the GDP being negative (not even possible); etc etc etc.

I could go on, but to be honest I can't see the point; you're too wedded to this idea that Trump is the second Coming of Jesus to see him for what he truly is.

[jim360]

Khandro, that's exactly what's happened though. It's not my fault that you are too busy either ignoring it or falling for his "FAKE NEWS" cries of protest.

[youngmafbog]

And do you not think you are too wedded to the idea he is the anti Christ to listen to anything too?

JK Rowling a friend of yours by any chance?

[EDDIE51]

Khandro have you actually read my link? There are 21 pages of it!
I hear that some US TV networks now have a background picture everytime Trump speaks that shows the actual facts about what he is saying.

[jim360]

I go to Trump's twitter feed fairly regularly these days to see what *he* has to say. If what he has to say then turns out to be nonsense, or twisted, or just angry ranting, then what am I supposed to do but see it that way?

He ranted yesterday about the system in the US that's meant to protect its legal process from the tyranny of a slim majority, thus clearly demonstrating a lack of understanding about the US political process. Go on, see it for yourself if you like. No lies there.

[youngmafbog]

But that isnt a lie is it, it's just as he sees it. You disagree, rightly in my view on this particular case, but that is both your rights.

[jim360]

To be clear, ymb, I wasn't accusing Trump of lying about *that*, but it's troubling all the same. I meant only that it shows how little he understands about the system (which reminds me of his great boast "Nobody understands the system better than I do!").

Trump does that rather a lot, though; "Nobody is more ____ than I am." One of his classics, in the wake of the "Grab 'em by the pussy" video, was to claim that "Nobody respects women more than I do." I assume that's his way of claiming that "Actually I do respect women", but it's such a pathetically arrogant way of putting things.

[mikey4444]

Khandro......"If the Donald had told any real, substantial porkies, there wouldn't be any doubt about it, it would be gleefully plastered all over the world's press"

That is exactly what has happened, every day since he was elected !