Should Eu Citizens Living In Scotland Qualify To Vote In Any Future Scottish Eu Independence Referendum, After Brexit?

[willbewhatiwill]

Having Scottish independence referendum at the same time as UK negotiating Brexit complicates & hinders negotiations with the EU. Surely once UK left EU, EU citizens living in Scotland should not qualify to vote in any Scottish Independence referendum, unlike in 2014.

1. Only Westminster Parliament (not devolved Parliaments) has the legislative competence whether to allow (with the approval of the monarch) an independent referendum to any home nation (like Scotland).
It is also for Westminster Parliament to decide on (i) the wording of the referendum question (ii) date & (iii) suffrage franchise of voters in the independence referendum.

2. The franchise of voters for any future independence referendum (should they ever occur again) should be only be for British Citizens currently living in Scotland and expats (i.e. British citizens born in Scotland, but not currently living in Scotland). Scottish residents that were able to vote in the last Scottish independence referendum in 2014 included current Scottish residents who were: British citizens, commonwealth students & workers, Irish citizen, EU citizens living Scotland at the time.

3. A 60% majority rule in a referendum should also apply to all referendum that involve the constitutional break-up of UK.
Examples of supermajority (or a qualified majority) voting in a democratic process are:
:: Article Five of the US Constitution for example states: “The Congress, whenever two-thirds of both Houses [the House and the Senate] shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution . . .US States can also propose changes, or amendments. Three-fourths of the states have to approve the amendment for it to become law" Goodbye.
:: According to the Danish Constitution, the Danish Parliament may delegate specific parts of the country's sovereignty to international authorities, provided that five-sixths of its members approve of the bill.
:: In South Korea, the approval of three-fifths of legislators is required before a bill can be put to a vote in the National Assembly.

[dannyk13]

//I believe many foreign students, those on work permits, asylum seekers, EU Citizens voted ‘Yes//
Not so, foreign students would not be enfranchised to vote.

[albaqwerty]

and the voting age was lowered to 16 years for Scottish people, not foreign students or asylum seekers

[willbewhatiwill]

albaqwerty stated, "Gibraltar? what on earth has that got to do with your Q about Scotland?"

I am saying that should Scotland chose to become independent as a result of Brexit (UK would have lost sovereignty over a large part of UK) - and who is to say Northern Ireland, Wales (& even Gibraltar) will not likewise follow?

NB
Should Scotland leave UK, Falklands Islands is no longer an issue for the Scotland to be concerned about - as it is an issue for Westminster Parliament and rest of UK.

[dannyk13]

Your premise that Gibraltar would want to leave is vastly flawed.ONly last year they voted to remain part of the UK with a landslide majority.

[albaqwerty]

will, this really is all pie in the sky.
The UK has yet to leave the EU, Scotland has yet to have a referendum (again, which I'm getting a bit sick of hearing about tbh :-) )

I am, however, agreeable to an interesting discussion.

[willbewhatiwill]

dannyk13, "Not so, foreign students would not be enfranchised to vote"

Commonwealth people resident in Scotland (even on their first day), are allowed to vote in any UK election, including in the 2014 Scottish Independence referendum!

[dannyk13]

Foreign students are not from The Commonwealth.

[albaqwerty]

IF you are on the electoral roll, then you can vote.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-25420827

[dannyk13]

And if you are not registered on the electoral roll you cannot vote;.

[albaqwerty]

exactly Danny !!

[willbewhatiwill]

danny k13 stated, "Your premise that Gibraltar would want to leave is vastly flawed. Only last year they voted to remain part of the UK with a landslide majority"

When did I ever say Gibraltar will leave UK??

I know Gibraltar (like Falklands Islands) have recently voted to remain within UK's sovereignty to UK. In any case, Falkland Islands & Gibraltar cannot leave from being part of UK, as they are NOT part of UK even now because they are in fact British Overseas Territories.

[dannyk13]

From your post;_
//nd who is to say Northern Ireland, Wales (& even Gibraltar) will not likewise follow?

[dannyk13]

I am now leaving this discussion as head and brick wall come to mind.

[willbewhatiwill]

dannyk13< "Foreign students are not from The Commonwealth"

Commonwealth students (like those from India, Malaysia, Nigeria, Ghana, Singapore, etc, etc)& EU students are counted foreign students. Commonwealth students also pay higher University tuition fees, as foreign students.

[dannyk13]

I repeat , if they are not registered to vote they cannot vote.Why cannot you understand that.

[albaqwerty]

danny, for the sake of your health, I'd give up!!!
I know I have :-D

[willbewhatiwill]

dannyk13 statef, "if they are not registered to vote they cannot vote"

It is extremely obvious (& straight forward) that eligible voters can only vote after registered in the electoral lists of a constituency . I understand this even in Primary School.

[dannyk13]

Then why are you asking if EU students should be able to vote?

[willbewhatiwill]

dannyk13 stated: "why are you asking if EU students should be able to vote?"

My own view is as stated in my original thread - Surely once UK left EU, EU citizens living in Scotland should not qualify to vote in any Scottish Independence referendum, unlike in 2014.

[albaqwerty]

I will type slowly,

IF you are on the electoral roll, then you can vote.