What Party Do You Trust To Cut Immigration?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/838217/ruth-davidson-conservative-case-for-immigration-farage

No one can deny that the main concern that forced the referendum was the problems of mass immigration, but it would seem that the majority of us are slowly being betrayed by all of the major parties.

Couldn't have anything to do with their fear of cutting off their regular supply of cheap labour, along with the continuousness lowering of our living standards?

[Gromit]

// Theresa May has confirmed that the Conservative pledge to cut net migration to the tens of thousands will be in her party’s manifesto, despite having missed the target after making the same promise in 2010 and 2015. //

The Conservatives keep promising big cuts in immigration and instead deliver big rises. But you keep voting for them even though there lies quickly become apparent.

Immigration is the scapegoat for Labour and Conservative economic failure. Brown and Osborne ruined the country, but instead of laying the blame rightly at this pair, some people prefer the blame immigrants, and let the guilty politicians off the hook.

[-Talbot-]

I don't blame immigrants I blame the politicians who don't control immigration.
Both major parties are guilty of this.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// But you keep voting for them even though there lies quickly become apparent. ///

That also applies to the recent increase in the Labour vote.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

Who is blaming the immigrants?

[Zacs-Master]

In answer to the OP.... None of them.

[anotheoldgit]

Anyone took part in the Express's poll yet?

[Zacs-Master]

Immigtants are blamed for most things:
Unemployment:
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-right-blamed-immigrants-unemployed-media/
Crime:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/46885/Immigrants-to-blame-for-surge-in-crime-says-police-chief
he NHS crisis:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/11/immigrants-nhs-crisis-underfunding-social-care-hospitals

[youngmafbog]

None of them will do anything. They are so wrapped up in their London centric bubble where everything is 'diverse' they dont see or understand the wider publics concern. This applies to both parties. I think there is more than an element of truth in Gromits suggestion immigrants are a useful scapegoat for Government failings, although unfettered immigration is clearly not sustainable for the infrastructure either.

BTW, I often wonder at the use of "supply of cheap labour" when we have a minimum wage?

[jno]

it's not the governments who want cheap labour, it's the voters. The British want cheap goods and high wages. Low-paid immigrants are the best way of squaring this particular circle. Labour encouraged it for this reason: to break the power of the unions. The Tories haven't tried to encourage it, they've just failed to lessen it despite their frequent promises to do so.

So far, then, Labour have implemented their policy much more successfully. The Tories have promised much and delivered nothing.

[youngmafbog]

AOG, looked at that poll. It has UKIP (and other minority parties) but they can never do anything about it so pretty pointless poll if you ask me.

[jno]

ymb, the gig economy was supposed to take care of that: everyone's self-employed and can "pay themselves" as little as they like. This loophole may be closing, though.

[youngmafbog]

Lost me, how does that apply to immigrants?

[jno]

it will apply to immigrants the same way it applies to anyone else. I was answering your question about minimum wages. Bring in immigrants but don't pay them much was Labour's plan. I have no idea what the Tories' plan is.

[youngmafbog]

ok, got you now.

[anotheoldgit]

jno

/// Labour encouraged it for this reason: to break the power of the unions. ///

Labour intent on breaking the power of the Unions???????? That's the best laugh so far.

[jno]

I think from memory it was Alastair Campbell who said that.

[hereIam]

None of 'em !

[-Talbot-]

I would love to see a link supporting your posts, Jno.

[jno]

so would I, Talbot, but it was something I read (I think in a newspaper) a good 5-8 years or so ago. It might have come from one of the numerous memoirs from the Blair years, perhaps at second hand.

And it might of course not be true, wherever I read it. The reason I thought it plausible was because New Labour was eager to distance itself from the unions, and happy to encourage the production of goods at lower prices, to the policy would make sense.

[youngmafbog]

New Labour had no interest in the Unions other than the cash. They had plenty of opportunity to repeal TGL Acts that curbed Union power and they did not.

Search 'labour curb union power' and you will get references to Millibnd and Brown.