West Midlands Police Officers Guilty Of Drugs Offences

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-41015691

[andy-hughes]

AOG - // But as it turns out, surprise, surprise, they do happen to have dark skins and they do happen to be Muslims along with their five co- drug offenders. //

I can't see any surprise there - Muslim officers can be just as prone to corruption as their white colleagues - criminality is not the prerogative of any specific ethnic group.

// So what happens? "Oh! we can't have this" so out come the history books, plenty of Googling, just to prove "it's just not them" gov. //

I can't see that anywhere in your link - have you made it up?

// Now don't you all feel better, now that you have done your bit in your fight against those horrible Racists, Neo-Nazis, Xenophobics, Islamophobics or any spare labels that you happen to posses, in your continuous fight to protect those of the protected species?

Whooooo, don't it give you that warm smug feeling? //

I have no idea what this means. No response suggests that these men are less guilty because they are Muslims, or that they are 'the protected species' - I think you have made up that term as well.

It appears AOG that you have taken 2 and 2 and made 22 - assuming that people will automatically defend corrupt Muslim officers on the basis that they are Muslim - although there is zero evidence to back up that assumption, either in your link, or in any of the responses you have received.

[FinnyMick]

I despair, why oh why do we have to tolerate, cow tow indeed, to "other" cultures.

Multiculturalism is a failed experiment, anyone can see that, apart from the blinkered.

[Zacs-Master]

But AOGs post isn't proof of that.

[andy-hughes]

FinneryMick - // I despair, why oh why do we have to tolerate, cow tow indeed, to "other" cultures.

Multiculturalism is a failed experiment, anyone can see that, apart from the blinkered. //

What has that got to do with this?

Muslim police officers have been located, accused, and are being tried - where is the 'cow towing' in that?

[FinnyMick]

The fact that they were appointed in the first place. Paying lip service to the bad idea that we have to accept muslims within our culture, you seem a bright chap, work it out for yourself,lol.

[Mamyalynne]

I think you are missing the point Finny - there have been corrupt Police Officers from all walks of life and backgrounds and there always will be sadly.

This thread is showing us the good news that this crop has been brought to book.

[Zacs-Master]

'bad idea that we have to accept muslims within our culture'

Holy Moly. You make AOG's bigotry seem mild in comparison.

[FinnyMick]

Maybe the ideology that we need muslim officers to patrol muslim areas grates with me.

Of course I accept there have always been corrupt officials.

[Peter Pedant]

oh dear
you all have very short memories
does no one remember Chief Constable Deer disbanding the whole lot ?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/west-midlands-serious-crime-squad-police-unit-to-blame-for-dozens-more-injustices-1120219.html

I think there have been over thirty acquittals on appeal

and there is even case law on how to handle evidence from an accused officer - is all evidence tainted for ever - well no - otherwise how could you get convictions ? ( excuse me what did you just say?)

Olliers specialises in it
https://www.olliers.com/news/martin-foran-gets-appeal-date/

[andy-hughes]

FinnyMick - // The fact that they were appointed in the first place. Paying lip service to the bad idea that we have to accept muslims within our culture, you seem a bright chap, work it out for yourself,lol. //

We don't 'have to accept' anyone in our culture, but diversity is what makes many cultures, including ours, in the first place.

You appear to be saying - and please correct me if I am mis-reading you - that Muslim officers have been appointed simply because they are Muslims, which is obviously a nonsense, and then they turn out to be corrupt, so therefore multi-culturalism is a failure.

I have worked it our for myself - thanks, and as I see it, it goes like this.

If a Muslim turns up to a recruitment drive for the police, and he is turned away because he is a Muslim, that is religious bigotry, and it is illegal under our laws. Would you sanction a Catholic or a Jew being excluded for their faith?

Your premise appears to hinge on the notion that Muslims are recruited simply to police Muslim communities, which again is nonsense.

Obviously it does make sense to use Muslim officers in Muslim areas when appropriate, and that is a fortunate by-product of their presence, but to suggest that they are recruited in the interests of tokenism is simply not sustainable. Police officers are recruited because they are suitable to be police officers, not simply because they will be Muslim police officers.

I do believe that multi-culturalism is a seriously flawed and disproved concept, but not because some Muslim police officers are corrupt - as I have pointed out, one has nothing to do with the other.

[FinnyMick]

Love that word "bigotry".

Wonder what it will mean 200 years from now ?

[andy-hughes]

FinnyMick - // Love that word "bigotry".

Wonder what it will mean 200 years from now ? //

I think it's a vile word, and I would love to think that in 200 years, it will be an archaic term, no longer in use because the concept no-longer applies.

[Zacs-Master]

Broad brushstroke remarks about a particular group of people are the copper bottomed hallmark of bigotry.

I'm sure it will mean the same thing 200 years hence.

[FinnyMick]

Fine words, all very commendable.
Muslim mayors, muslim police officers, muslim government I shouldn't wonder at some point in the future.

Frightening clips on youtube where marches and rallies demanding sharia law are all too familiar.

It just worries me that my grandchildren as and when will face difficult times.

[andy-hughes]

FinnyMick - // Fine words, all very commendable.
Muslim mayors, muslim police officers, muslim government I shouldn't wonder at some point in the future.

Frightening clips on youtube where marches and rallies demanding sharia law are all too familiar.

It just worries me that my grandchildren as and when will face difficult times. //

They are people of a different faith, they are not an alien species!

I have said many many times on this site - if the Muslim 'takeover' was real, why are they dragging their heels, there are billions of Muslims throughout the world, it is the fast going faith on the planet, but still no 'takeover' - because it is a media construct, and we get the media we deserve - fear stokers and distrust manipulators.

[FinnyMick]

Not so much heel dragging, more truck driving.

[andy-hughes]

FinnyMick - // Not so much heel dragging, more truck driving. //

I am sure that you don't believe that the actions of a few psychopaths acting under the cloak of a faith they clearly don't follow represents the intentions of an entire population of peaceful Muslims.

I hope not, anyway.

[FinnyMick]

Me also, however, I would put money on all peaceful non Christians opting for sharia law, eventually.

[andy-hughes]

FinnyMick - I think we are drifting away from the main topic here, and obviously we do not agree, so we might as well leave it there.

[Zacs-Master]

'I would put money on all peaceful non Christians opting for sharia law, eventually.'

Pure speculation. Where's your evidence that this is happening?