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Barnier's Bluff
Should the UK team approach other EU members directly and override this French clown?
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The EU will not agree to undertake further negotiations until the UK agrees to pay £xbn (where x is anything between 50 and 100) and we agree to settle disputes raised by EU citizens in the UK via the ECJ.
They should be told that both are out of the question. If they refuse to go any further then that's that. Bye bye. We should not negotiate under duress.
They should be told that both are out of the question. If they refuse to go any further then that's that. Bye bye. We should not negotiate under duress.
We do not have the authority to directly approach the other 27 EU members, we can not talk directly to them at all.
Only the EU commision can ask the other members about anything to do with A 50. Remember it only needs 1 of the 27 to veto any 'deal' we may be offered !
It looks like we will be forced to leave with no deal .
Many on here will think that is wonderful but the Japanese prime minister has already warned Mrs May of the consequences of a 'no deal' for future Japanese manufacturing in the UK.
Only the EU commision can ask the other members about anything to do with A 50. Remember it only needs 1 of the 27 to veto any 'deal' we may be offered !
It looks like we will be forced to leave with no deal .
Many on here will think that is wonderful but the Japanese prime minister has already warned Mrs May of the consequences of a 'no deal' for future Japanese manufacturing in the UK.
Personally, I would quite like the UK to completely and conclusively destroy any and all negotiations - that would be a proper job of what has been going on under the guise of "being sensible" for decades. This would leave no excuses and the result/outcome would be entirely down to the UK which would then proceed in complete "independence/freedom" of their choosing. Were that to happen I hope I live at least another 10 years to see where things then stand.
The UK doesn't need to approach the other EU members individually.
They just need it to be known that the best deal for all is not to clobber the UK. Deep down they know that but I think they have been bamboozled into thinking the their negotiators and their demands are reasonable.
If they haven't already, I think the UK government should be preparing for a no deal and be prepared to stick to it.
If the immediate effect is sky high tariffs from the EU then we reciprocate. And for the first few years the fee we would have been paying the EU goes straight to counter the effects felt here.
They just need it to be known that the best deal for all is not to clobber the UK. Deep down they know that but I think they have been bamboozled into thinking the their negotiators and their demands are reasonable.
If they haven't already, I think the UK government should be preparing for a no deal and be prepared to stick to it.
If the immediate effect is sky high tariffs from the EU then we reciprocate. And for the first few years the fee we would have been paying the EU goes straight to counter the effects felt here.
Authority is only useful if members respect it.
The EU seems determined to achieve, and can not veto, their running out of time and finding they're faced with a UK exit and no agreement on future trade above the WTO rules.
The possibility of that result may focus their attention eventually, or maybe it's their preferred result. Sure seems like it at present.
The EU seems determined to achieve, and can not veto, their running out of time and finding they're faced with a UK exit and no agreement on future trade above the WTO rules.
The possibility of that result may focus their attention eventually, or maybe it's their preferred result. Sure seems like it at present.
Barnier's obstinacy in refusing to discuss further issues without an agreed 'exit fee' demonstrates how inadequate he is for the task. A more skilled negotiator would set aside what cannot be agreed on for now, and continue discussing other matters where some progress might be made.
//We do not have the authority to directly approach the other 27 EU members, we can not talk directly to them at all.//
The British Government and representatives of the business community can, as always, talk to whomever they wish in an informal, non-binding manner.
Sorry about the link OG
//We do not have the authority to directly approach the other 27 EU members, we can not talk directly to them at all.//
The British Government and representatives of the business community can, as always, talk to whomever they wish in an informal, non-binding manner.
Sorry about the link OG
"A more skilled negotiator would set aside what cannot be agreed on for now, and continue discussing other matters where some progress might be made."
The only change I would make is to note that the words "more skilled" are superfluous. It smacks of a hidden agenda to refuse to progress unless one gets one's own way.
The only change I would make is to note that the words "more skilled" are superfluous. It smacks of a hidden agenda to refuse to progress unless one gets one's own way.
Barnier will get the tin tack if he persists with this gun to the head approach. No we should not approach other EU nations separately. We should point blank refuse to be pushed into this silly idea that there is an exit fee. Frankly I'd just shut up shop now and ignore them until the rest of the EU fire this idiot and get someone competant.
//But, the fifth columnists, and confirmed stayers, would do their very best to bring us down//
There's that phrase again. It's been coming up on AB a lot recently.
Who are the alleged "fith columnists"? What are they up to? What should we do about them.
Radical brexiteers are adding paranoia to their list of neuroses I see.
There's that phrase again. It's been coming up on AB a lot recently.
Who are the alleged "fith columnists"? What are they up to? What should we do about them.
Radical brexiteers are adding paranoia to their list of neuroses I see.
How can voting for what you believe was the best course of action for the country be construed as anti British?
You come across like some child who drank too many Fanta oranges and is now racing around the playground spewing out nonsensical garbage, his pupils dilated and not really aware of his surroundings.
You come across like some child who drank too many Fanta oranges and is now racing around the playground spewing out nonsensical garbage, his pupils dilated and not really aware of his surroundings.
Barnier is constrained by his brief from the EU council. He can't be flexible. I would be happy to wave 'bye'bye and have said for a year now that we should be working on the assumption that a deal is impossible.
Varousakis wrote several articles detailing his dealings with the EU - how the Council referred him to the Heads of States (France & Germany) and how they, in turn, said that they were powerless to usurp the Council (I paraphrase) and he went back-and-forth like a shuttlecock, all to no avail. He warned us specifically against getting into that situation.
It is foolish to do other than plan or 'no deal' i.m.o..
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Varousakis wrote several articles detailing his dealings with the EU - how the Council referred him to the Heads of States (France & Germany) and how they, in turn, said that they were powerless to usurp the Council (I paraphrase) and he went back-and-forth like a shuttlecock, all to no avail. He warned us specifically against getting into that situation.
It is foolish to do other than plan or 'no deal' i.m.o..
Our sensiblehoice
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