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Spoof? No chance the op link is just a barely joined up series of rants.
Dear Dierdre, can you help?
I live in a large block of flats with 27 other families. The number has tripled since we moved in 40 years ago and whilst they are nice people we are unhappy with the changes. It used to be smaller, friendlier and we had a lot in common.The management Committee is interfering in our day to day lives, even down to which shops we can use, how much we can spend and what products we can buy. They are now insisting that the other families are to use an invented currency. This has resulted in the unfortunate effect of impoverishing some of the families. who do not use it in the manner that the management would like. In fact we have had to take some other family members into our flat and give them little jobs around the place, which has put a strain on our own resources. The building has been extended to accommodate more and more families and there are increasingly vociferous demands for money to do things that we don't agree with. The management has also started to talk about a vague project, which sounds very expensive but refuse to show quotations and are saying no expense sheet will be available. So we recently decided to move elsewhere. We gave our notice to quit earlier this year, as per the terms of our agreed lease. But the families we thought were our friends, including some we had supported and helped before we moved in have turned nasty. Even though we are leaving according to the terms of the lease and will ensure that our apartment will be clean and tidy and ready for someone else to move into, the management committee has presented us with an invoice that is 10 times our annual maintenance charge. Is this a fine for wishing to leave the block, and has it been set very high to deter anyone else who may wish to leave? Perhaps it is an attempt to extort extra money for the management kitty, as we were one of the largest contributors to it. We have asked for an itemised bill, but that is not forthcoming, so we cannot see why we should be expected to pay up without question. We have nothing against the other families, it is just that due to all the enormous forced changes that have taken place over the years, we no longer enjoy living there. Is it too much to ask that we can simply be allowed to leave and get on with our lives?
With apologies and respect to Tony Brown.
Dear Dierdre, can you help?
I live in a large block of flats with 27 other families. The number has tripled since we moved in 40 years ago and whilst they are nice people we are unhappy with the changes. It used to be smaller, friendlier and we had a lot in common.The management Committee is interfering in our day to day lives, even down to which shops we can use, how much we can spend and what products we can buy. They are now insisting that the other families are to use an invented currency. This has resulted in the unfortunate effect of impoverishing some of the families. who do not use it in the manner that the management would like. In fact we have had to take some other family members into our flat and give them little jobs around the place, which has put a strain on our own resources. The building has been extended to accommodate more and more families and there are increasingly vociferous demands for money to do things that we don't agree with. The management has also started to talk about a vague project, which sounds very expensive but refuse to show quotations and are saying no expense sheet will be available. So we recently decided to move elsewhere. We gave our notice to quit earlier this year, as per the terms of our agreed lease. But the families we thought were our friends, including some we had supported and helped before we moved in have turned nasty. Even though we are leaving according to the terms of the lease and will ensure that our apartment will be clean and tidy and ready for someone else to move into, the management committee has presented us with an invoice that is 10 times our annual maintenance charge. Is this a fine for wishing to leave the block, and has it been set very high to deter anyone else who may wish to leave? Perhaps it is an attempt to extort extra money for the management kitty, as we were one of the largest contributors to it. We have asked for an itemised bill, but that is not forthcoming, so we cannot see why we should be expected to pay up without question. We have nothing against the other families, it is just that due to all the enormous forced changes that have taken place over the years, we no longer enjoy living there. Is it too much to ask that we can simply be allowed to leave and get on with our lives?
With apologies and respect to Tony Brown.
“Plus we are now talking about 'sealing our borders' from day one and only allowing essential immigration. I first said this as a joke , but it really does look like we are trying to become a European version of North Korea !”
Yes Eddie. As I understand it, the plan is that visitors from the EU will be able to arrive without a visa (though they will need a passport) and can stay for up to six months. Unskilled workers can
apply to stay for two years, skilled workers for up to five. (Schemes will be available for both sectors to extend their stay). In addition schemes will be available for seasonal workers if required. So, almost identical to the arrangements for visiting and working in North Korea.
“…plus the falling £ means they can earn as much or more back home.”
I won’t shower you with abuse, Eddie, just a few facts. The average wage in Poland (from where by far and away the greatest number of EU workers in the UK hail) is around one fifth of that in the UK. In Romania and Bulgaria the average wage is about one tenth of that in the UK. Since the referendum result the £ has devalued by about 14% against the euro. It has a little bit further to go before workers from those countries “can earn as much or more back home”.
Coincidentally there was an article recently about the devastating effect migration has had upon Bulgaria.
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That country has lost about 20% of its population in the last 20 years and the decline is forecast to continue. It is causing them huge problems. Much of the movement is down to the ridiculous freedom of movement encouraged by the EU and enshrined in its very being. It will cause huge long term problems for both the recipient and donor countries.
As far as the UK goes, the notion that it can only get by (in terms of industry and old-age care) by uncontrolled and unlimited migration is ludicrous. The younger people imported will eventually get old and the idea of an ever increasing population fueled by migration is simply insane.
“There are no quotas for illegal immigrants.”
Yes there are. That is why Hungary and Slovakia have just been to (and lost in) the European Court of Justice:
https:/
The article mentions “refugees” but in fact those involved have arrived without leave and often from countries where they are not in immediate peril and so are to all intents and purposes illegal immigrants.
The UK needs to wean itself off of an endless supply of cheap unskilled labour (and indeed non-labour as the freedom within the EU is of people, not labour). There is no proposal to "seal our borders" but there are much needed proposals to control the seemingly endless inward migration, which is causing enormous problems, to only that which is needed. No "Normal" (i.e. non-EU) nation allows uncontrolled migration and I'd like to see the UK become a normal nation again.
Yes Eddie. As I understand it, the plan is that visitors from the EU will be able to arrive without a visa (though they will need a passport) and can stay for up to six months. Unskilled workers can
apply to stay for two years, skilled workers for up to five. (Schemes will be available for both sectors to extend their stay). In addition schemes will be available for seasonal workers if required. So, almost identical to the arrangements for visiting and working in North Korea.
“…plus the falling £ means they can earn as much or more back home.”
I won’t shower you with abuse, Eddie, just a few facts. The average wage in Poland (from where by far and away the greatest number of EU workers in the UK hail) is around one fifth of that in the UK. In Romania and Bulgaria the average wage is about one tenth of that in the UK. Since the referendum result the £ has devalued by about 14% against the euro. It has a little bit further to go before workers from those countries “can earn as much or more back home”.
Coincidentally there was an article recently about the devastating effect migration has had upon Bulgaria.
http://
That country has lost about 20% of its population in the last 20 years and the decline is forecast to continue. It is causing them huge problems. Much of the movement is down to the ridiculous freedom of movement encouraged by the EU and enshrined in its very being. It will cause huge long term problems for both the recipient and donor countries.
As far as the UK goes, the notion that it can only get by (in terms of industry and old-age care) by uncontrolled and unlimited migration is ludicrous. The younger people imported will eventually get old and the idea of an ever increasing population fueled by migration is simply insane.
“There are no quotas for illegal immigrants.”
Yes there are. That is why Hungary and Slovakia have just been to (and lost in) the European Court of Justice:
https:/
The article mentions “refugees” but in fact those involved have arrived without leave and often from countries where they are not in immediate peril and so are to all intents and purposes illegal immigrants.
The UK needs to wean itself off of an endless supply of cheap unskilled labour (and indeed non-labour as the freedom within the EU is of people, not labour). There is no proposal to "seal our borders" but there are much needed proposals to control the seemingly endless inward migration, which is causing enormous problems, to only that which is needed. No "Normal" (i.e. non-EU) nation allows uncontrolled migration and I'd like to see the UK become a normal nation again.
I believe we have about 800,000 unemployed claimants presently. If that doesn't cover then we must be trying to develop more industry than is reasonable for a nation our size. In any case, any transition will be facilitated by issuing paperwork/cards/visas/whatever allowing entry to temporarily workers where needed.
eddie: "OK NJ so where do you suggest we fill the labour shortage from? Or do you not accept that there is one? Unemployment at a 43 year low and an aging British population. It will sort itself out but not for 15 to 25 years . " - have day off, there are plenty of WSS on the rock and roll. Even if there wasn't market forces dear boy, no staff = wages must increase until you get staff. Simples!
"OK NJ so where do you suggest we fill the labour shortage from? Or do you not accept that there is one?"
No I do not accept that there is one. Whenever decent jobs are advertised (say when a car manufacturer expands its plant) there are scores of applications for every vacancy. Industries that are dependent on cheap unskilled labour will have to make adjustments to their business models. They adjusted quickly enough when they first had access to plentiful labour from abroad who would undercut the going rates. Now they will have to adjust in reverse. By the time Brexit is enacted they will have had almost three years to plan. Many of them are doing no such thing but are simply bleating on that they cannot manage. They can and they will.
There may be some industries that are no longer viable in the UK. Many have disappeared in the past few decades to be taken up by cheaper offerings abroad. The UK is descending into a low wage, low skilled economy courtesy of imported cheap labour. Brexit will see that reversed with those here having to upskill and make the nation a more attractive place for higher skilled industries.
No I do not accept that there is one. Whenever decent jobs are advertised (say when a car manufacturer expands its plant) there are scores of applications for every vacancy. Industries that are dependent on cheap unskilled labour will have to make adjustments to their business models. They adjusted quickly enough when they first had access to plentiful labour from abroad who would undercut the going rates. Now they will have to adjust in reverse. By the time Brexit is enacted they will have had almost three years to plan. Many of them are doing no such thing but are simply bleating on that they cannot manage. They can and they will.
There may be some industries that are no longer viable in the UK. Many have disappeared in the past few decades to be taken up by cheaper offerings abroad. The UK is descending into a low wage, low skilled economy courtesy of imported cheap labour. Brexit will see that reversed with those here having to upskill and make the nation a more attractive place for higher skilled industries.
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