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Ringo Starr Speaks !
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Despite living in LA and not bothering to vote in the Referendum, he still thinks that his opinion is valued.
Reminds of that old joke....What do you call a man who hangs around with talented musicians....a drummer !
Despite living in LA and not bothering to vote in the Referendum, he still thinks that his opinion is valued.
Reminds of that old joke....What do you call a man who hangs around with talented musicians....a drummer !
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It’s quite true that Mr Starkey wasn’t even the Beatles’ best drummer, so he is in no position to pontificate about Brexit from the other side of the Atlantic. However, Sir James Dyson should have a better idea of what a swift Brexit means for business and he seems to concur with Ringo:
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"NJ....is this the same James Dyson that sacked all his staff in Chippenham and moved production of his vacuum cleaners to the Far East ?"
Probably, Mikey. The man has a business to run. Of course with his Far Eastern connections he's probably in a better position to judge the opportunities available to the UK post-Brexit. Definitely in a better position than Ringo and almost certainly in a better position than most of the politicians fannying around trying to get a "deal" which will be of little benefit to the UK.
Probably, Mikey. The man has a business to run. Of course with his Far Eastern connections he's probably in a better position to judge the opportunities available to the UK post-Brexit. Definitely in a better position than Ringo and almost certainly in a better position than most of the politicians fannying around trying to get a "deal" which will be of little benefit to the UK.
New Judge - // It’s quite true that Mr Starkey wasn’t even the Beatles’ best drummer, so he is in no position to pontificate about Brexit from the other side of the Atlantic. //
Given that your statement is true - I am unsure why Mr Starkey's musical talents forbid him from having an opinion on anything at all.
But of course, your statement is not true.
John Lennon's famous comment - "Ringo isn't the best drummer in the world, he isn't even the best drummer in The Beatles!" is a typical example of Mr Lennon's caustic wit at the expense of a fellow Beatle who is completely secure, not only in his deep friendship with Mr Lennon, which will withstand any amount of sarcasm for the befit of the media, but also secure in the knowledge that he is one of the finest drummers of his generation, who would go on to be revered by drummers for decades for his invention, and timing.
Given that your statement is true - I am unsure why Mr Starkey's musical talents forbid him from having an opinion on anything at all.
But of course, your statement is not true.
John Lennon's famous comment - "Ringo isn't the best drummer in the world, he isn't even the best drummer in The Beatles!" is a typical example of Mr Lennon's caustic wit at the expense of a fellow Beatle who is completely secure, not only in his deep friendship with Mr Lennon, which will withstand any amount of sarcasm for the befit of the media, but also secure in the knowledge that he is one of the finest drummers of his generation, who would go on to be revered by drummers for decades for his invention, and timing.
vetuste - //Apparently the recording studio used a sessions guy rather than Mr Starkey.
Don't know if the story is true or not. //
Ringo did not play on Love Me Do - they used Andy White a session player for that track in the earliest sessions.
He didn't play on Dear Prudence or Back In The USSR on the White Album because he left the band for a short time during the sessions, and Paul played drums on those tracks before Ringo returned - his absence was not mentioned at the time.
Finally, he did not play on The Ballad Of John And Yoko, which, although credited to The Beatles, only features John and Paul, with Paul on bass and drums - Ringo was away filming The Magic Christian, and George was on holiday.
Apart from those, Ringo plays on every Beatles recording - and the breadth and versatility of his playing is clearly audible for anyone who knows anything about playing drums - and doesn't listen to throwaway witticisms from the band's rhythm guitarist.
Don't know if the story is true or not. //
Ringo did not play on Love Me Do - they used Andy White a session player for that track in the earliest sessions.
He didn't play on Dear Prudence or Back In The USSR on the White Album because he left the band for a short time during the sessions, and Paul played drums on those tracks before Ringo returned - his absence was not mentioned at the time.
Finally, he did not play on The Ballad Of John And Yoko, which, although credited to The Beatles, only features John and Paul, with Paul on bass and drums - Ringo was away filming The Magic Christian, and George was on holiday.
Apart from those, Ringo plays on every Beatles recording - and the breadth and versatility of his playing is clearly audible for anyone who knows anything about playing drums - and doesn't listen to throwaway witticisms from the band's rhythm guitarist.
“…but also secure in the knowledge that he is one of the finest drummers of his generation, who would go on to be revered by drummers for decades for his invention, and timing.”
I wasn’t talking about John Lennon’s remark, Andy. When they were first formed the Beatles had no regular drummer. They hired session drummers for most of the time during their first sojourn in Hamburg. Pete Best was eventually taken on full time but he fell out of favour when George Martin came on the scene. Ringo was taken on during that time but Martin was not convinced of his competence and a number of versions of “Love Me Do” were recorded. Two versions of that number were produced, one with Ringo and another with Andy White, whom you mention, on the skins. Far from being among the finest drummers of his generation he initially struggled to make the first team.
As no mean drummer myself I have a fairly good idea of what constitutes a jobbing drummer (a “Plodder”), a good drummer and a great one. Starr does not make the top ten of the finest drummers of his generation on my list. Thinking about it I don’t even think he makes the top 20. In fact few of the Beatles’ numbers require much in the way of advanced drumming prowess which is probably just as well. Who can say whether that's by accident or design? I can’t imagine any who do make my top twenty (which includes the chap who taught me) revering Ringo for much other that he did the job as required and was lucky enough to make a fortune from it with very limited talent (and good luck to him). But that’s about all you can say.
However, methinks we digress from Brexit a bit too much!
I wasn’t talking about John Lennon’s remark, Andy. When they were first formed the Beatles had no regular drummer. They hired session drummers for most of the time during their first sojourn in Hamburg. Pete Best was eventually taken on full time but he fell out of favour when George Martin came on the scene. Ringo was taken on during that time but Martin was not convinced of his competence and a number of versions of “Love Me Do” were recorded. Two versions of that number were produced, one with Ringo and another with Andy White, whom you mention, on the skins. Far from being among the finest drummers of his generation he initially struggled to make the first team.
As no mean drummer myself I have a fairly good idea of what constitutes a jobbing drummer (a “Plodder”), a good drummer and a great one. Starr does not make the top ten of the finest drummers of his generation on my list. Thinking about it I don’t even think he makes the top 20. In fact few of the Beatles’ numbers require much in the way of advanced drumming prowess which is probably just as well. Who can say whether that's by accident or design? I can’t imagine any who do make my top twenty (which includes the chap who taught me) revering Ringo for much other that he did the job as required and was lucky enough to make a fortune from it with very limited talent (and good luck to him). But that’s about all you can say.
However, methinks we digress from Brexit a bit too much!
New Judge - // When they were first formed the Beatles had no regular drummer. They hired session drummers for most of the time during their first sojourn in Hamburg.This entry from theculturetrip.com would dispute your notion of 'session players in Germany -
//Beatles-Platz
On the corner of the Reeperbahn and the Grosse Freiheit lies the Beatles Square, commemorating the band’s Hamburg history. The circular, black-paved plaza is shaped like a vinyl record, and engraved titles of The Beatles’ most famous songs decorate its edges. On it, five life-size steel silhouettes of the musicians provide fans and passersby a unique photo opportunity. Yes, five—back in the early 1960s the band was composed of John Lennon, Paul McCartney, George Harrison, Stuart Sutcliffe and Pete Best. As the latter had been replaced by Ringo Starr in the last Hamburg concerts, the drummer statue is a hybrid of both musicians. //
And furthermore - // As no mean drummer myself I have a fairly good idea of what constitutes a jobbing drummer (a “Plodder”), a good drummer and a great one. Starr does not make the top ten of the finest drummers of his generation on my list. Thinking about it I don’t even think he makes the top 20. In fact few of the Beatles’ numbers require much in the way of advanced drumming prowess which is probably just as well. Who can say whether that's by accident or design? I can’t imagine any who do make my top twenty (which includes the chap who taught me) revering Ringo for much other that he did the job as required and was lucky enough to make a fortune from it with very limited talent (and good luck to him). But that’s about all you can say. //
It is a rare day when I can say with confidence that I can contradict you with confidence, but this is one of those days.
I was a major feature writer for Drummer Magazine from Issue 3 to its cessation, and I have met and interviewed dozens of the world's top drummers, who are certainly more than a 'mean drummer' themselves, and certainly know far more about what it takes to be a great drummer than any amateur anywhere.
When discussed, Ringo Starr is uniformly admired as one of the greatest drummers in the world, not for his technical skill - Ringo cheerfully admits he can't play a drum roll - but for his inbuilt natural timing, and his inventive playing which systematically increased through the band's recorded career, and is captured to anyone with the ears to hear it.
Drumming is not about who plays fastest, it's about who plays the best for their band, and the songs that band plays, and in that sense, Ringo remains a giant among professional drummers, and is rightly acknowledged by those who know a lot more about it than you or I.
//Starr does not make the top ten of the finest drummers of his generation on my list. Thinking about it I don’t even think he makes the top 20. //
An opinion to which of course you are entitled - but as advised, the drummers who would make anyone's Top Twenty do not agree with your assessment of their colleague's abilities.
// ... Ringo for much other that he did the job as required and was lucky enough to make a fortune from it with very limited talent (and good luck to him). But that’s about all you can say.
Clearly it is not all I can say - using the words 'Ringo' and 'limited talent' in the sams sentence demonstrates that your acknowledged and appreciated knowledge of the law is far from equalled in your knowledge of the abilities and skills of Ringo Starr.
//Beatles-Platz
On the corner of the Reeperbahn and the Grosse Freiheit lies the Beatles Square, commemorating the band’s Hamburg history. The circular, black-paved plaza is shaped like a vinyl record, and engraved titles of The Beatles’ most famous songs decorate its edges. On it, five life-size steel silhouettes of the musicians provide fans and passersby a unique photo opportunity. Yes, five—back in the early 1960s the band was composed of John Lennon, Paul McCartney, George Harrison, Stuart Sutcliffe and Pete Best. As the latter had been replaced by Ringo Starr in the last Hamburg concerts, the drummer statue is a hybrid of both musicians. //
And furthermore - // As no mean drummer myself I have a fairly good idea of what constitutes a jobbing drummer (a “Plodder”), a good drummer and a great one. Starr does not make the top ten of the finest drummers of his generation on my list. Thinking about it I don’t even think he makes the top 20. In fact few of the Beatles’ numbers require much in the way of advanced drumming prowess which is probably just as well. Who can say whether that's by accident or design? I can’t imagine any who do make my top twenty (which includes the chap who taught me) revering Ringo for much other that he did the job as required and was lucky enough to make a fortune from it with very limited talent (and good luck to him). But that’s about all you can say. //
It is a rare day when I can say with confidence that I can contradict you with confidence, but this is one of those days.
I was a major feature writer for Drummer Magazine from Issue 3 to its cessation, and I have met and interviewed dozens of the world's top drummers, who are certainly more than a 'mean drummer' themselves, and certainly know far more about what it takes to be a great drummer than any amateur anywhere.
When discussed, Ringo Starr is uniformly admired as one of the greatest drummers in the world, not for his technical skill - Ringo cheerfully admits he can't play a drum roll - but for his inbuilt natural timing, and his inventive playing which systematically increased through the band's recorded career, and is captured to anyone with the ears to hear it.
Drumming is not about who plays fastest, it's about who plays the best for their band, and the songs that band plays, and in that sense, Ringo remains a giant among professional drummers, and is rightly acknowledged by those who know a lot more about it than you or I.
//Starr does not make the top ten of the finest drummers of his generation on my list. Thinking about it I don’t even think he makes the top 20. //
An opinion to which of course you are entitled - but as advised, the drummers who would make anyone's Top Twenty do not agree with your assessment of their colleague's abilities.
// ... Ringo for much other that he did the job as required and was lucky enough to make a fortune from it with very limited talent (and good luck to him). But that’s about all you can say.
Clearly it is not all I can say - using the words 'Ringo' and 'limited talent' in the sams sentence demonstrates that your acknowledged and appreciated knowledge of the law is far from equalled in your knowledge of the abilities and skills of Ringo Starr.
New Judge - // We'll have to agree to differ, Andy.
Virtually any half-decent drummer could have produced the same performances as Ringo (so long as they had long hair). //
Feel free to differ with dozens of musicians who play drums in some of the biggest bands in the world, if you wish, but I would suggest that maybe, just maybe, they might know a little more about what makes a great drummer - and they do consider Ringo to be a great drummer.
Virtually any half-decent drummer could have produced the same performances as Ringo (so long as they had long hair). //
Feel free to differ with dozens of musicians who play drums in some of the biggest bands in the world, if you wish, but I would suggest that maybe, just maybe, they might know a little more about what makes a great drummer - and they do consider Ringo to be a great drummer.
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