Further Signs Of The Islamification Of Britain?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-41160596
How long before Muhammad gets to number 1?

[ToraToraTora]

judge, as usual bang on another BA for your collection. Mikey et al just ignore the problem.

[ToraToraTora]

ok I'm off to bed, catch up in the morning.

[mikey4444]

TTT you need to prove your case, which you have not done so far tonight. But its getting late now TTT, so I am off too bed.

[Zacs-Master]

What happens to the 3 million (and rising rather rapidly) Muslims who are already here and the exponential birth rate that they seem to have?

[Baldric]

I think NJ that it relevant that where Mikey lives there is little or no Muslim population so he sees none of the problems that are associated with it.
We have quite a low number in this area atm but when I was working I spent a reasonable amount of time in areas where the Muslim population was quite high the problems they cause was quite obvious.

[-Talbot-]

Muslim population doubling in ten years, mikey?

any good?

[New Judge]

"I have done the maths, and what this latest report from the ONS says is that 89% of baby boys have not been given Muslim names..."

Your maths (and the assumptions) are flawed. The top ten boys' names account for 46,601 births. Around 325,000 boys are born in the UK each year. So there are around 280,000 boys whose names do not make the list. Thus Mohammed accounts for only around 1.2% of male births, not the 11% you suggest. Your assumptions are flawed because you suggest that 89% of names are not Muslim. In fact you should have assumed that 89% (actually around 98.8%) are not Mohammed. There are plenty of other names that are Muslim.

[ichkeria]

I read this article earlier and thought: someone like Tora will be cranking up his keyboard ...

[Jackdaw33]

I can just imagine a teacher having to call the register in a Bradford school

[ToraToraTora]

all I'm saying is that if you extrapolate the figures we have it's not long before the indigenous population are the minority. Not sure why Mikey et el refuse to accept the arithmetic.

[Sqad]

Aren't we all being a bit too clever here in order to substantiate and event? Yes....by all means, links to websites, statistics, figures from the ONS, but why not take the bull by the horns.
You will know someone in their 60's or 70's who were in areas like Peterborough, Bradford, Leicester et Al and take them back to their birthplace, walk around the area and listen to what they say has changed.
In my opinion, that conversation will convince you, far more than statistics, of the clear and increasing Islamisation of England.

[fiction-factory]

>Mikey, if we’re thinking ‘percentages, with 4% of the total population Muslim, 11% of the whole choosing the name Mohammed is rather high – wouldn’t you say?

I haven't looked up the statistics, Naomi, but I am pretty certain that whilst 4% of the overall population may be Muslim I think that the figures will be very different when it comes to births. I'd guess that over 10% of births now are in Muslim families. The figure may be even higher. Many schools that were predominantly 'white' a generation ago are now predominantly Muslim.

[Spicerack]

^What do you think Naomi meant?

[fiction-factory]

^ same as me?

[fiction-factory]

My guess would be nearer 20% of births are now 'Muslim', with the figure being much higher in towns and cities (I know these children are not born Muslim but will probably have no alternative)

[jim360]

It's pretty dangerous to extrapolate in the way that you're doing, TTT, not least because growth rates of both the Muslim population and the UK as a whole are clearly unsustainable at *some* point.

I'm fairly sure that someone, somewhere once extrapolated that, at the then-present rate, the number of Elvis impersonators in the US would exceed the total population of the country by 2020 or some such, which was a prediction never meant to be taken seriously but does serve to show the utter uselessness of naive extrapolation.

[anotheoldgit]

It is already number 1 if you take into account the different ways that it is spelled.

/// Mohammed is the most popular name for boys in England and Wales- but it doesn't top the official list because there are so many different ways to spell it. ///

/// There were 7,361 children born last year called Mohammed, Muhammed, Mohammad or Mohamed, according to the Office for National Statistics, which would have made it the number one boys name if the variations were taken into account. ///

[vetuste_ennemi]

Why "dangerous"?

I would have thought the danger existed in not making very reasonable extrapolations (rather than jokey nonsense about Elvis impersonators).

In major cities in many parts of Europe 25% of the children in primary education are Muslim. Of course, this will not concern many people who are Muslim, nor any thorough-going multiculturalists who know nothing about Islam. The rest of us (and that includes those Muslims who've come to Europe to get away from the fundamental application of their faith) ought to be be very worried.

[jim360]

Perhaps it is a bit too strong a word but nevertheless it's true that basing certain policies or certain world views on dodgy extrapolations can be a bad idea and leads to bad policy.

[Kromovaracun]

'Extrapolating the numbers' is a bit dodgy, though. Because a) it assumes that the next generation of muslims will produce offspring as prolifically as their parents (many of whom are relatively recent immigrants from cultures where this is the norm), and b) the implicit fear - that the UK will be "islamified" - assumes that the next generation of muslims will be equally as devout as their parents.

Of course, neither of these things are impossible. But I'm not really sure how you could quantify their likelihood. They seem like big assumptions to me.