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Time For Us To Say Bye Bye I Think.
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They want bosh and plenty of it.
Why don't we just walk away with our offers intact and let them then decide if they want to trade with us.
They want bosh and plenty of it.
Why don't we just walk away with our offers intact and let them then decide if they want to trade with us.
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A second referendum can't take place in a vacuum, so it's not a fair comparison. But I tend to agree with S-D that there's no real sign that a second referendum would go the other way, yet. Most polling trends on the EU have been fairly static -- it would probably come down to whether or not people believed it was worth voting to leave a second time, perhaps fearing that the powers-that-be would follow that up with "how about best of five then?"
Or perhaps most people don't care as much about it as we enlightened ABers do.
Or perhaps most people don't care as much about it as we enlightened ABers do.
dannyk13
We already do more trade with the rest of the world than we do with the EU. But the EU chunk is big, and replacing or renegotiating it will not be easy. Expirters would be already selling more to the rest of the world now, if it was that easy.
Now the Brexit clock is counting down, you would expect exporters to bee seeking out new markets now, and that exports would be rising. The reverse is the case, exports are faultering.
// Goods export volumes fell 4.9 per cent in June, the biggest monthly fall since June 2016, while imports were up 1.5 per cent, said the Office for National Statistics (ONS). //
We already do more trade with the rest of the world than we do with the EU. But the EU chunk is big, and replacing or renegotiating it will not be easy. Expirters would be already selling more to the rest of the world now, if it was that easy.
Now the Brexit clock is counting down, you would expect exporters to bee seeking out new markets now, and that exports would be rising. The reverse is the case, exports are faultering.
// Goods export volumes fell 4.9 per cent in June, the biggest monthly fall since June 2016, while imports were up 1.5 per cent, said the Office for National Statistics (ONS). //
Manfred Weber, a German member of the European People's Party grouping, said: "Who do I call in London - Theresa May, Boris Johnson or David Davis? Please don't put your party first.
He answer is that he calls nobody in London because as a mere MEP he has no part to play in the matter. All he will be called upon to do is to rubber stamp his masters' decisions at the end of it all for that is the only sop to "democracy" that the EU makes.
"We need a clear answer who is responsible for the British position," he added.
The answer is whomsoever the UK thinks fit.
“Do you think Britain is big enough on its own to take on Amazon?”
Why should it need to “take on” Amazon? All it needs to do is to encourage successful businesses to continue to invest here. Those who dislike Amazon for whatever reason may simply refuse to do business with them or work for them. Strangely I don’t see too many people doing that at the moment. If people dislike Amazon’s tax arrangements in the UK then they should lobby their Westminster MPs to have changes made. As it happens Amazon act entirely within the law, funnelling much of their profits through Luxembourg (you know, that little place with the radio station that Mr Junckers ran for a while before he hit the big time). It is every company’s (and individual’s) duty to keep their tax bills to an absolute minimum required by law. That way the amount of cash governments are given to waste is minimised.
“the EU isn't scared of taking on the megacorporations, and it's done so. Britain hasn't.”
One of the principle reasons for that is that the Euromaniacs do not have an electorate to worry about. If the UK government drove Amazon from these shores there would be quite a few people pi55ed off – and I don’t mean Amazon’s bosses.
The fact is that the EU are willing to see these “negotiations” (if that’s what they are called) fail. They want the UK to be seen to pay for their temerity. It is obvious they have no intention of conducting meaningful talks until a huge alimony has been handed over. Being an EU member has not been a particular success for the UK and if we were not members now we would not be begging to join. We need to cut our losses and become a proper independent nation as quickly as possible.
He answer is that he calls nobody in London because as a mere MEP he has no part to play in the matter. All he will be called upon to do is to rubber stamp his masters' decisions at the end of it all for that is the only sop to "democracy" that the EU makes.
"We need a clear answer who is responsible for the British position," he added.
The answer is whomsoever the UK thinks fit.
“Do you think Britain is big enough on its own to take on Amazon?”
Why should it need to “take on” Amazon? All it needs to do is to encourage successful businesses to continue to invest here. Those who dislike Amazon for whatever reason may simply refuse to do business with them or work for them. Strangely I don’t see too many people doing that at the moment. If people dislike Amazon’s tax arrangements in the UK then they should lobby their Westminster MPs to have changes made. As it happens Amazon act entirely within the law, funnelling much of their profits through Luxembourg (you know, that little place with the radio station that Mr Junckers ran for a while before he hit the big time). It is every company’s (and individual’s) duty to keep their tax bills to an absolute minimum required by law. That way the amount of cash governments are given to waste is minimised.
“the EU isn't scared of taking on the megacorporations, and it's done so. Britain hasn't.”
One of the principle reasons for that is that the Euromaniacs do not have an electorate to worry about. If the UK government drove Amazon from these shores there would be quite a few people pi55ed off – and I don’t mean Amazon’s bosses.
The fact is that the EU are willing to see these “negotiations” (if that’s what they are called) fail. They want the UK to be seen to pay for their temerity. It is obvious they have no intention of conducting meaningful talks until a huge alimony has been handed over. Being an EU member has not been a particular success for the UK and if we were not members now we would not be begging to join. We need to cut our losses and become a proper independent nation as quickly as possible.
"you don't want to tax corporrations , TTT? Goodness, I thought this was all about sovereignty - which you want to hand over to Google. " - no I want to fill the country with big business fighting over employees so wages are sky high an the coffers are full. I want every business in the world in UK making gargantuan profits and paying the highest wages in the world. Jno, direct tax is a socialist device to stifle progress. It brings in little net proceeds and kills progress.
Talbot
We voted to leave the EU, and will. We have not voted on what happens after that.
Just like Heath was wrong to take us down the path he did in 1973, then it will also be wrong for Fox and Davis to dictate to the British people where we go/what we do next. It should be for us to decide, and we should be given options not another fait accompli.
We voted to leave the EU, and will. We have not voted on what happens after that.
Just like Heath was wrong to take us down the path he did in 1973, then it will also be wrong for Fox and Davis to dictate to the British people where we go/what we do next. It should be for us to decide, and we should be given options not another fait accompli.
I really am sick to my back teeth of being called "anti-British" or accused of "talking our country down." It's hysterical and juvenile.
I like Britain. I like the humour, I like the weather, and I like the history (although it doesn't captivate me like Russian history does). What I dislikeor "hate" is how the country is governed. Would be really great if people could somehow get the distinction through their skulls.
I also think, based on the information available to me and insofar as I am capable of judging it, that Brexit is a crap idea - in no small part for the reasons I put in the thread.
The hysterical, childish, dumb screech of "WRECKER! BRITAIN HATER! TRAITOR! SABOTEUR!" etc. that invariably comes up whenever grownups are trying to have a meaningful disagreement is getting really, really, really old.
I like Britain. I like the humour, I like the weather, and I like the history (although it doesn't captivate me like Russian history does). What I dislikeor "hate" is how the country is governed. Would be really great if people could somehow get the distinction through their skulls.
I also think, based on the information available to me and insofar as I am capable of judging it, that Brexit is a crap idea - in no small part for the reasons I put in the thread.
The hysterical, childish, dumb screech of "WRECKER! BRITAIN HATER! TRAITOR! SABOTEUR!" etc. that invariably comes up whenever grownups are trying to have a meaningful disagreement is getting really, really, really old.
I was a Remainer and wish the vote had gone that way. But all the reasons that tempted me to vote Leave are perfectly displayed in Tusk, Juncker, Verhofstadt and Barnier.
The negotiations can never work. The two sides have completely different objectives. We're arguing for trade. They're arguing for ideology. Our side is answerable to the electorate. Their side is not (hardly). We stand to lose a lot. They (individually) stand to lose little.
Things are too complex to just "walk away", so we're kind of stuck in this depressing grey area while ... what? I dunno ...
The negotiations can never work. The two sides have completely different objectives. We're arguing for trade. They're arguing for ideology. Our side is answerable to the electorate. Their side is not (hardly). We stand to lose a lot. They (individually) stand to lose little.
Things are too complex to just "walk away", so we're kind of stuck in this depressing grey area while ... what? I dunno ...
//The thing you have to remember is that the long term coherence of the single market is a priority for these people,and giving the UK a fantastic deal undermines that because it would defeat the whole point of having a single market.//@14.32
As Ellipses says an "ideology" then. But afterwards....
//What I dislikeor "hate" is how the country is governed.//sic @17.41
Therefor a preference for, the ponzi scheme, underhand politics, and unelected officials unregulated by the electorate? Then you wonder why those of us have seen through the smoke and mirrors regard you with even more disdain than we do the Eurocratic scheemers? We used to have just such a trading block it was called the Commonwealth. We had to sell our partners in it down the river to become "more European". Meehh.
As Ellipses says an "ideology" then. But afterwards....
//What I dislikeor "hate" is how the country is governed.//sic @17.41
Therefor a preference for, the ponzi scheme, underhand politics, and unelected officials unregulated by the electorate? Then you wonder why those of us have seen through the smoke and mirrors regard you with even more disdain than we do the Eurocratic scheemers? We used to have just such a trading block it was called the Commonwealth. We had to sell our partners in it down the river to become "more European". Meehh.
We should not be asking for 'a fantastic deal' on joining the single market. There is no readon to give us one. But we should ask for, and get the same deal as Norway, Iceland, Switzerland and Liechtenstein. Problem is, that is not acceptable to the hard brexitters, so we are not asking for that. Instead we will get a poor deal due to our intransigence.
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