The Time Of Their Lives.

[Just-Jude]

Should this teacher really be in jail? Is she a danger to society? If she had been high on drugs and stabbed her teenage lover, she would have walked free.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/woman-jailed-sex-student-pupil-teacher-relationship-a7986976.html

[Just-Jude]

A tragedy has been played out here, it's not CB.

[fiction-factory]

This sentence seems about right. The Oxford one eemed very lenient and hopefully was an abbertion. I don't think that a bad decision in one case should be made again in another just for consistency or for social equality issues.

[andy-hughes]

Just-Jude - //A tragedy has been played out here, it's not CB. //

It has - but let's be clear about the terms of the tragedy shall we?

It is not that a young man is bereft like some pseudo Romeo-and-Juliet scenario, it is that a professional woman in a position of trust has abused that trust and damaged a child in her care, and been punished accordingly.

[hc4361]

The Oxford case has no similarity to this case. She was not a teacher and her partner was not under age.

[Just-Jude]

"Their economic status is of no consequence whatsoever in the case"

True, none of the families own a £2 million villa outside Milan and an £8 million pad in Mayfair.

[kvalidir]

She certainly should have had far more sense than to get involved with him, however he's not going to be some innocent little child she molested, he was 15, probably 16 by now and therefore at the time just months off being old enough to join the army and get blown sky high fighting a war. I personally think the age of consent should be dropped to 14, but it isn't and even if it was she was in a 'position of trust', so again should have had more sense. It'll be interesting to see if things rekindle once she's freed in eight months or if it really was just a case of a stupid besotted errors of judgement.

[Just-Jude]

hc4361 Who is the biggest danger to society? The drug crazed spoilt student running amok with a knife, or the teacher.

[dannyk13]

The boy doesn't appear to have had anything to say about the matter.

[Togo]

Juju man is back. :))
A male teacher would have been given a stiffer sentence.

[andy-hughes]

Just-Jude - // hc4361 Who is the biggest danger to society? The drug crazed spoilt student running amok with a knife, or the teacher. //

Comparisons like this are pointless.

You can bring out a endless supply of crimes and argue that this one is more / less damaging than that one.

The point is, a crime was committed, due process was followed, anything else in terms of whether you or I think it was actually a victimless crime or not, is irrelevant. We are all subject to the law.

[Sqad]

My thoughts are on the line of Kvalidir's post.....he was no innocent bystander and by the way, how has he been "damaged" as suggested by one venerable poster?
That will be a time in his life that he will be able to dine out on, a raconteurs jewel in the crown..."I had it off with "Miss."

Eight months seems a bit savage.

[jno]

on the scale of teacher/pupil relationships in 2017 it doesn't seem too bad

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/794957/life-ban-teacher-romp-with-girl-pupil-two-men

The boy's age was probably the problem. If they're of age, the teachers don't seem to get locked up.

[andy-hughes]

Togo - // Juju man is back. :))
A male teacher would have been given a stiffer sentence. //

Possibly - but I'm not sure that would simply be because he was a man, and the victim was a girl.

As jack has pointed out, society does enjoy double standards here - if a female teacher abuses a male pupil, he is seen as lucky and to be envied, if a male teacher abuses a female pupil, he is the devil incarnate and should be castrated with a rusty tin lid.

[gness]

I know we are all different....but I can put myself in the position of a parent of a fifteen year old boy......
And believe me....from my working days fifteen year old boys vary greatly in their maturity and confidence to deal with situations....

That my son started having girlfriends of his own age and developed and gained experience slowly and healthily is what I wanted for him...

Had he been exposed to a teacher like this at fifteen I'd be more than a bit miffed....

It's not a great age difference much later......but at fifteen it is....

[hc4361]

You are making huge assumptions about that boy. He may well be mature mentally but we don't know that. He could be an immature social misfit with few friends and a rotten home life. It doesn't matter - no 23 year old should be having sex knowing the partner is 15.

[andy-hughes]

Sqad - // My thoughts are on the line of Kvalidir's post.....he was no innocent bystander and by the way, how has he been "damaged" as suggested by one venerable poster? //

You have no way of knowing how innocent, or not, the boy was in this situation. He has been damaged because everyone in his school, together with his family, will know that he has been having under-age sex with his teacher, not something a maturing teenager needs to have to deal with I am sure you will agree.

// That will be a time in his life that he will be able to dine out on, a raconteurs jewel in the crown..."I had it off with "Miss." //

Perhaps so, if he thinks as you do - maybe he will remain utterly ashamed and never speak of it again. We don't know, so we shouldn't assume that he will see this as a rollicking good time and rite of passage, simply because that is how you would view it if it had happened to you.

// Eight months seems a bit savage. //

That's the sentence proscribed.

[Just-Jude]

fiction-factory. I get it now. When the rich walk free, it's just an aberration.

When the working class are jailed, justice has been done.

[-Talbot-]

She abused her position ... Jail is the right decision.

[andy-hughes]

Just-Jude - // fiction-factory. I get it now. When the rich walk free, it's just an aberration.

When the working class are jailed, justice has been done. //

I repeat - the economic situation of the individuals involved is not an issue in terms of guilt and punishment. It may appear to be that way - obviously to you it does, but that does not make it a fact.

[Sqad]

A-H

"He has been damaged because everyone in his school, together with his family, will know that he has been having under-age sex with his teacher, not something a maturing teenager needs to have to deal with I am sure you will agree. "

Don't agree......some may (like you) think it "disgusting and infra dig,but i bet many will take the attitude...."gud on yer mate"....

"You have no way of knowing how innocent, or not, the boy was in this situation"

Quite, you are correct, but give it some thought...aged 15 nearly 16, strikes up a relationship with an attractive young Miss, goes off to the hotel with her, for a bit of "you know what" then to her parents place, followed by a bit of t it in the classroom......to me, sqad, that is not the picture of a shrinking violet.