Deadlock Over Uk's Brexit Bill, Says Eu's Michel Barnier

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41585430

As I thought SuperPoodle David Davies has come back from Brussels empty-handed.....again.

Time to send someone who can actually do something right.

[dannyk13]

Mikey, as usual your blind adherence to knocking anything that is not Labour instigated shows through.
The EU are refusing to agree to anything suggested by us, so what do you propose we do?

[ToraToraTora]

why do you always side with the enemy? Tells us all we need to know.

[anneasquith]

Am I the only one who when watching DD he appears to be " away on his own planet " with an inane grin on his face ?

[ToraToraTora]

"Time to send someone who can actually do something right." - who do you suggest? Psuedo Tory Tony?

[EDDIE51]

I know it evokes high emotion among AB members, but your personal view aside, does anyone REALLY expect that the UK will actually ever totally leave the EU?
Every passing day makes me more certain that my theory , (which started as a joke,) that Mrs May has been intentionally set up to make a spectacular failure of getting us out of the EU is actually true.
The biggest confirmation was calling the election against the advice of her own cabinet, that lost her a working majority, it was either part of her being set up to fail or she is so utterly incompetent and ignorant that she has no place being an MP let alone PM.
However long may she continue, every extra hour she remains in power further increases the chance of a Corbyn led government.

[dannyk13]

Lol Eddie.

[douglas9401]

Aye Eddie, history may paint her as the heroine who saved us from ourselves. :-)

[ToraToraTora]

I know it evokes high emotion among AB members, but your personal view aside, does anyone REALLY expect that the UK will not leave the EU?

[ludwig]

Well, they were never going to make it easy for us were they.

They're demanding a gazillion quid punishment payment before they'll agree to talk about trade deals. We're disputing the amount. That's the deadlock.

[dannyk13]

And,quite rightly, we are disputing their estimate of what we owe them.

[ToraToraTora]

the real deadlock is that the EU wont talk about anything else untill we resolve the "devorce payment" - so they wont get on to other stuff like trade etc. Classic cobras from the EU. personally I'd ;leave tomorrow and not talk to them again.

[ToraToraTora]

the problem is we are full of anti british collaborators with their noses out of joint because the silly public did not agree to subjugation by their EUSSR buddies.

[Khandro]

Not quite so strident as you claim.
From today's Spectator, lunchtime espresso;

Thursday 12th October

Today in brief

Brexit ‘deadlock’
There is a ‘disturbing state of deadlock’ in the negotiations over the Brexit divorce bill, Michel Barnier said today. His mandate from European leaders does not allow him to open negotiations on trade until ‘sufficient progress’ has been made on the exit deal – but he hinted that the mandate could change, saying ‘I will explore ways of getting out of this deadlock’.

Brexit progress ‘within grasp’
Although Michel Barnier said today that Brexit negotiations have not made ‘sufficient progress’ for him to recommend that talks on the ‘future relationship’ can begin, and said that the EU will make no ‘concessions’, he also stated that ‘decisive progress is within our grasp over the next two months’.

No deal better than a bad deal
A Sky News poll finds that 74 per cent of the public think ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’ while 26 per cent think ‘any deal is better than no deal’.

[jim360]

I don't really see the point in asking that question: "no deal" is something that sounds rather too much like Noel Edmonds and too little like anything concrete that I have literally no reference point to decide whether it's better than the equally vaguely-defined "bad deal".

It's transparently obvious that for many here any deal at all is a bad deal. Also not talking to the EU ever again is equivalent to throwing away about half our trade; I assume it's just a flippant remark but if that's the sort of attitude our actual negotiators are possessing, then no wonder Barnier et al are bashing their heads against the wall.

[youngmafbog]

//It's transparently obvious that for many here any deal at all is a bad deal. Also not talking to the EU ever again is equivalent to throwing away about half our trade; I assume it's just a flippant remark but if that's the sort of attitude our actual negotiators are possessing, then no wonder Barnier et al are bashing their heads against the wall. //

I'm sorry jim but that is utter nonsence.

[Ellipsis]

> "no deal" is something that sounds rather too much like Noel Edmonds and too little like anything concrete that I have literally no reference point to decide whether it's better than the equally vaguely-defined "bad deal".

Well ...

"No deal" is better than a "bad deal" implies (falsely IMO) that "no deal" is not a bad deal.

There are worse deals than "No deal" but of course we would not take those, because we have the better "No deal" as an option.

So, "No deal" is literally the worst possible deal we could do.

> SuperPoodle David Davis

Why superpoodle? Who is he capitulating to? If you want to insult him, perhaps "intransigent" or "stubborn", but really it's as I said in another thread somewhere. He wants to negotiate trade, they want to negotiate ideology. There's no chance of alignment while it stays that way.

[jim360]

I don't think it's nonsense at all ymb. As long as TTT et al keep trotting out the "let's just walk away" line at the first possible excuse then it seems pretty clear that they, at least, fit into the category I was describing.

[Old_Geezer]

Not capitulating to the intransigent other side of the table is doing something right.

[Old_Geezer]

They can avoid bashing their heads against the wall by rowing back on unreasonable demands and allowing talks in areas where agreement is more likely. The leaders need to look at the remit they made a hash of, and decide what needs changing to allow progress to be made; rather than dig their heels in and stop things dead on requirements they know no nation is going to agree to.

[Khandro]

If only for the sake of the German car industry, Mrs Merkel has to soon start knocking a few EU heads together to avoid the UK just walking away without a deal.