This Puts The Gay Issues In The Civilised World Into Context...

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41645281

[Peter Pedant]

why didnt vey pull their finger nails out - yeah ?
no pliers or what ?

[mikey4444]

TTT....Russia is a deeply homophobic country, just as lots of other backward places are. We shouldn't be surprised for one minute that this sort of thing goes on.

[sp1814]

No it doesn't.

What people do when they talk about Russia, the Middle East, Africa is "Hey look, it's far worse there - think yourselves lucky".

I used this analogy a while ago - and will repeat it here...

If you woke up one morning, to find all of the rubbish in your bins strewn all over your front door, and your flower beds ripped up - you would be rightly furious.

However, if you later were sitting looking through your newspaper and read that a house had burned down three streets away, you would be concerned...you might even start a fund to help the family, but you would feel more concerned about what had happened to you because it was local to you even though in the great scheme of things it was no where near as devastating as a house fire that left you homeless and destroyed all your possessions.

That analogy fits here. Things closer to home (even if they are less serious), affect us more.

[sp1814]

Errr...that paragraph that starts with 'However' is one long sentence. Sorry for the appalling grammatically choices there.

[Spicerack]

Extraordinary. All that story without one mention of Islam.

[jno]

gay-bashing up 80% here, I see

https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/09/11/gay-bashing-united-kingdom

Who needs the authorities to do it when private citizens are so keen to participate?

[Peter Pedant]

// Extraordinary. All that story without one mention of Islam.//
and not one chechen says
" Brexi8t - I blame effing brexit!"

we live in a remarkable world
when will it all end ?

[ummmm]

It will end when people live and let live and stop discriminating against people for their life choices.

[RATTER15]

I agree ummmm, however I really dont think being gay is a "life choice" making people ware of being gay is.
Its a barbaric world!!

[youngmafbog]

As I see it the World is different all over it, therefore 'enlightenment' will take place at different time. Granted some countries are going to be slower than others and where there are deep religious convictions it may never happen. But given time, education and encouragement people like that will become in a very small minority. This applies to many things not just to the Gay bashing problem.

Calling a country backward just because they dont agree with our viewpoint doesnt help Mickey, in fact taking that attitude is likely to put their backs up and it will get worse.

[youngmafbog]

jno, to take a survey of just 5,000 people and claim it is up 80% is ludicrous to the extreme. Yet another caase of using stats to over blow your aim to such a degree people turn off.

It is also a claimed 80% increase in 'hate crime' which these days seems to encompass anything including people expressing an opinion you dislike.

[Khandro]

Well, the Chechens are Muslims, innit?

[Togo]

I do hope that Gay Pride or some other such organisation are making plans for a mass protest and march through Grozny.

[ummmm]

Ratter - I'm not just talking about being gay.

[jno]

ymb, you know perfectly well that properly done representative polling is normal and accepted, and that's how YouGov do it.

[jackthehat]

I am sure than any gay person on the receiving end of a good-kicking in this country will be sighing inwardly and giving grateful thanks that it is only at the hands of one of their fellow citizens (I know) and not as part of any governmental policy.....

[jim360]

So you accept that there are still issues for gay people in the civilised world then TTT? :P

[New Judge]

"So you accept that there are still issues for gay people in the civilised world then TTT? :P"

There certainly are. Some of them have difficulty renting a double room in a B&B and some have trouble getting their chosen birthday cake made for them. I don't condone people being beaten up for their sexuality (or indeed for any other reason). But in the UK I don't think gay people suffer much from "institutionalised" homophobia.

[Cloverjo]

Horrendous, what's going on in Chechnya and other backward places.
I know quite a few gay men, including one of my son's best friends. He 'came out' to his group of friends and they all said 'yeah, we know' and that was the end of it.

When I was young, anyone showing signs of being gay would have been bullied relentlessly. Thankfully that seems not to happen now. Time for Russia to catch up.

[jim360]

It's clearly nothing like the situation in Russia or Chechnya or in various African countries, where being gay can carry serious risks to almost everyone's lives, but you shouldn't belittle the experiences of gay people in this country just because of that. There is no doubt that we've come a long, long way since the days when homosexuality was criminalised, but that's different from saying that there's no further to go.