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Why Can't We All Get On Our Side?
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OK remainers you loast the vote, you're upset, I get it I understand. is it too much to ask that we all come together and tackle the enemy across the channel? Stop bickering and sabotaging, brexit is inevitable, either embrace our efforts or join the enemy.
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Progress can only be made if the other side stops playing hardball and starts to negotiate properly, or your own side collapses and bends over backwards to give the other side of the table what it demands. The latter form of "progress" we can well do with avoiding. May should stop giving ground, and make it abundantly clear that a 'no deal' exit is never off the...
08:56 Thu 19th Oct 2017
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In this case though (which - shock horror - is not a game of poker) revealing the UK's aims could be advantageous. If, for example, we outlined goals that were consistent with the interests of German industry to keep trading here (i.e. restoring the strength of the pound and low/zero tariffs), then those lobbyists might actually have an incentive to do what Brexiteers keep blithely assuming they will do - pressurise their govt to accept the UK's terms. Nobody can really agitate for us if they don't know what we want (and as with anything in politics, one always needs allies).
In this case though (which - shock horror - is not a game of poker) revealing the UK's aims could be advantageous. If, for example, we outlined goals that were consistent with the interests of German industry to keep trading here (i.e. restoring the strength of the pound and low/zero tariffs), then those lobbyists might actually have an incentive to do what Brexiteers keep blithely assuming they will do - pressurise their govt to accept the UK's terms. Nobody can really agitate for us if they don't know what we want (and as with anything in politics, one always needs allies).
Well Karl, you may consider the EU's the lesser loss based on total trade with everyone , but I'd suspect the UK's ability to be flexible and form world wide trade contacts will, to your surprise, ensure resorting to WTO rules with the EU, creates only a short lived economic blip. Recall EU/UK trade doesn't end, it merely takes a knock that will ease as the new system is put into place. Plus it will take but a handful of other agreements to other countries to cover any of our EU trade reduction, and anything more from then onwards will be a bonus.
However, the EU's inflexible stance, and desire to dictate to all who seek agreements with them, will mean they need to soldier on for longer trying to find a way to compensate for their "lesser loss". Still I hear Turkey might want to take our place, so maybe that's an EU opportunity.
However, the EU's inflexible stance, and desire to dictate to all who seek agreements with them, will mean they need to soldier on for longer trying to find a way to compensate for their "lesser loss". Still I hear Turkey might want to take our place, so maybe that's an EU opportunity.
^^ which won't help them with this in today's Telegraph;
"The EU is trying to over-charge Britain for its share of Eurocrats' pensions to the tune of €7bn (£6.2bn), it has been claimed, even as European capitals continue to squeeze the UK over the so-called Brexit bill.
British Brexit negotiators are questioning EU calculations over the size of pension liabilities - listed as some €67bn in the EU accounts - of which the UK share would be around €11bn on the point of exit."
"The EU is trying to over-charge Britain for its share of Eurocrats' pensions to the tune of €7bn (£6.2bn), it has been claimed, even as European capitals continue to squeeze the UK over the so-called Brexit bill.
British Brexit negotiators are questioning EU calculations over the size of pension liabilities - listed as some €67bn in the EU accounts - of which the UK share would be around €11bn on the point of exit."
Khandro at 14.21 is quite correct. We know the French mindset. There is no chance of an acceptable deal, I'll repeat that 'NO CHANCE OF AN ACCEPTABLE DEAL', OK? All I have to do is think about the kerfuffle over my driving licence; or the poor lady who hied from Jersey and could not access any rights because the Channel Isles were not on the permitted list; or the way the French put a full stop on people accessing health care. This was about 2007 and lead to a friend of mine hanging himself from the cherry tree outside his front door, because (despite his having lived there for 5 years and paid into the system, like me) the rules had been changed so he would have to buy private insurance.. which he couldn't afford. I went to the Social Services with him and helped to fight his case, to no avail.
I will never, ever, forget that and the struggle I,and others,had to keep his widow afloat. Make no mistake, the French Govt. is as defensive and racist and protectionist as they come. Do not expect fairness or sympathy from them.
I will never, ever, forget that and the struggle I,and others,had to keep his widow afloat. Make no mistake, the French Govt. is as defensive and racist and protectionist as they come. Do not expect fairness or sympathy from them.
jim;//Anyone would think it was 1805 all over again. //
A battle the Brits won, n'est pas?
If anyone wonders why the EU badly needs so much dough from the UK to cover salaries and pensions, in an interview 3 years ago, (I'll bet the situation is even worse now) with the rather good, Vaclav Klaus, the former Czech President he said, " A few days ago I studied the names of the EU commisioners under Mr Junker, and their portfolios. We in my country say that 16 is already too high for having meaningful portfolios. But the EU has 26. If you look at the names of those portfolios, I really don't believe my eyes.
The former Estonian prime minister is a commissioner for digital markets. As an economist I really don't know what "digital markets" means. Plus there is another, a German politician, Gunther Oettinger, who is the commissioner for "digital economy and society". We would laugh in the communist era to have such names for members of our cabinet. I can't imagine what these commissioners are doing."
Neither can I, can you?
A battle the Brits won, n'est pas?
If anyone wonders why the EU badly needs so much dough from the UK to cover salaries and pensions, in an interview 3 years ago, (I'll bet the situation is even worse now) with the rather good, Vaclav Klaus, the former Czech President he said, " A few days ago I studied the names of the EU commisioners under Mr Junker, and their portfolios. We in my country say that 16 is already too high for having meaningful portfolios. But the EU has 26. If you look at the names of those portfolios, I really don't believe my eyes.
The former Estonian prime minister is a commissioner for digital markets. As an economist I really don't know what "digital markets" means. Plus there is another, a German politician, Gunther Oettinger, who is the commissioner for "digital economy and society". We would laugh in the communist era to have such names for members of our cabinet. I can't imagine what these commissioners are doing."
Neither can I, can you?
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