Can The U S Execute This Terrorist? Do New York State's Death Penalty Rules Cover It?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41848151
I googled and as far as I can tell they have the death penalty for killing a police officer or committing murder whilst on a life sentence. Maybe federal laws applies in terrorism cases. Does that allow execution? This is not a debate about the rights and wrongs of executions.

[youngmafbog]

Nothing. Not for you AH.
I do see where you are coming from.
The problem I have eith incarcaration of people like this is a) they become heroes to the cause and b) some liveral gets them out and/or gets thrm millions of tax payers money
Much cheaper and final if they swing.

[ToraToraTora]

just read the dictionary definition and it says: "a person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs." - so he cannot be a martyr if he is tried and executed for murder not for his beliefs. QED Saddam Shuffle!

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // who gives a rats plaster whether his fellow scum think he's martyr F/F\S what does that even mean anyway? he's revered in a barbarous religion? so kin what he's still brown bread and not many beyond his twisted sect will be thinking he's a martyr anyway. //

What it means is that his possible martyrdom will be used as an incentive by his fellow extremists to whip up even further hatred of the west, possibly leading to further terrorism activities.

It would be great to be able to dismiss these people are mindless idiots, but it would be seriously foolish to do so, and that means that in my view, consequences of actions regarding their punishment have to be weighed carefully, and the simple expedient of execution, hands washed, is not a response to be undertaken lightly, simply because it addresses immediate emotional reactions.

[Jahulaye]

Ttt, Muslims go on what the Quran and Hadiths say and not dictionaries.

[Jackdaw33]

The President does not decide the sentence, the court does.

[andy-hughes]

YMB - // Not for you AH. //

Thanks YMB.

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // so he cannot be a martyr if he is tried and executed for murder not for his beliefs. QED Saddam Shuffle! //

As advised, the terrorists will do with the decision what they do with the Koran - twist it to suit their murderous purposes, so a matter of semantics will not stop them carrying on with more mayhem

[andy-hughes]

jackdaw - // The President does not decide the sentence, the court does. //

Am I right in thinking that the President may have a veto if he chooses to invoke it?

[ToraToraTora]

"As advised, the terrorists will do with the decision what they do with the Koran - twist it to suit their murderous purposes, so a matter of semantics will not stop them carrying on with more mayhem " - so who cares then?

[Baldric]

From the OP

///Mr Saipov, who appeared in court on Wednesday in a wheelchair, faces federal terrorism charges, which means the government could override New York state's ban on capital punishment///

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // so who cares then? //

If President Trump overrules the court and sanctions an execution, and there is a major terrorist incident as a direct result, then immediately, President Trump, followed by the victims who survive, followed by the families of all victims, living and dead, followed by the entire civilised world - will care considerably.

[jno]

Eddie, as you may be aware, Muslim scholars aren't sure about the 72 virgins; some think it's a misunderstanding of symbolic text that really means 72 raisins.

[sapelesam]

Of course it's raisins, I was told this personally by the Sultana of Iran.

[jno]

it's said to be symbolic of "all the food you will ever need".

[ToraToraTora]

it's up to the courts andy not trump.

[Jahulaye]

“it's said to be symbolic of "all the food you will ever need".

Sounds like what we need at these times is the Quran retranslated because if a simple misunderstanding is getting innocent people killed then who knows what other misunderstandings are turning normal people into Suicidal/homicidal serial killers, then saying that these people must have a screw loose anyways so would probably find any reason to kil others or, neighbours loud music, boss Who sacked them, teacher gave their kids detention etc...

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, // it's entirely easy to see why the emotional response is to call for his execution//

What gives you the idea that that’s an emotional response? From my own point of view there’s no emotion whatsoever involved. It’s the sensible solution.

//the terrorists will do with the decision what they do with the Koran - twist it to suit their murderous purposes, so a matter of semantics will not stop them carrying on with more mayhem//

A death sentence will stop that particular terrorist – and any more like him - from carrying on with more mayhem. Incidentally, they don't 'twist' the Koran. It's all there. Read it.

[Peter Pedant]

O god christians arguing about the quran again

- its the word of God so you have to read it in Arabic by the way
Translations NOT allowed - OK for us kufroon tho

[ToraToraTora]

you don't have to twist the Koran or the bible they are pre "twisted" they are more or less the same with equivalent messages on any subject.

[naomi24]

PeterPedant, //Translations NOT allowed //

That's incorrect. Without translations the majority of Muslims wouldn't be able to read the Koran because the majority of them do not speak Arabic.