12Yr Old Becoming A Muslim

[fender62]

what an awful situation the father is in, and why does the school have this on their religious education curriculum, scientology anyone, it's all religious madness rammed down childrens throats in the name of diversity...i like the why i want to convert, who's bloody idea was that.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5069919/Sunderland-stepdad-explains-Islam-
homework-complaint.html

[anotheoldgit]

This is a Christian country full stop, and in answer to those who state that religion (Christian) should not be taught in schools, I say that it is not taught enough, judging by the behaviour and morals of some these days.

[Kathyan]

You don't need religion to have morals and good behaviour!

[-Talbot-]

AOG ... garbage

[hereIam]

I too think he was right to go to the press, we need to know what rubbish is being foisted onto children today.

aog at 9.46...agree.

[andy-hughes]

Talbot - // Given that it is the dreadful levels of ignorance that drive extremism in the first place, the notion of examining something and thinking about it cannot be a bad thing.



Whose extremism are you refering to, andy? //

Extremism doesn't belong to anyone, absolutely anyone who is able to read or hear something and twist it into something that makes them behave in an extreme manner can be an extremist.

That's the tragedy of it.

[redvanman]

Thy should be no religion taught in schools leave it to be taught outside of school problem solved

[redvanman]

When will the government have the balls to stop emigration how town is swamped and overrun with them

[ummmm]

You want to stop people leaving, Redvanman?

[Mamyalynne]

This thread title is most misleading, no one is becoming a Muslim because of some homework.

In my life through my school essays I have been on the Beagle with Darwin, helped build the Pyramids and for a time was a slave in the Cotton fields - no wonder I'm shattered.

This is a poor piece of work and should be dropped.

[murraymints]

as I said religion belomgs in church whatever that may be..not school !

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // Ignorance doesn't drive extremism. Quite the opposite. //

That is certainly the most surprising thing I have ever read from you - and not in a good way!

I know you to be an intelligent educated person, and I find it hard to believe that you think extremism is driven by education, which by definition, teaches is to view the word from different perspectives.

// If anyone is ignorant it's the idiot who set this homework. //

As a teacher, this person will be a university graduate, and therefore I would suggest he is unlikely to be ignorant, or indeed an idiot.

You have always made much of your superior education in matters Islamic, certainly in comparison to mine - I wonder if you ponder that an attitude like the one you exhibit here would have inhibited, and perhaps prevented entirely your education in religion - had the people who facilitated it for you been of a similar mind-set?

You may respond that you educated yourself - but that means you were given access to the information needed - and it was not withheld from you on the basis that you might be encouraged to assume or convert to the faith you are studying.

If education in Islam is alright for you - why is not alright for others?

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //education, which by definition, teaches is to view the word from different perspectives.//

Incorrect …. and this thread isn’t about me.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // andy-hughes, //education, which by definition, teaches is to view the word from different perspectives.//

Incorrect …. and this thread isn’t about me. //

Of course it isn't about you - it's not about any of us.

But it is a debate about Islam in its perceived negative influence on western culture, something on which you are far from shy in expressing your views.

So I am surprised that you are ducking my question, and simply stating that I an 'incorrect' with no evidence to back it up.

I look forward to normal service being resumed.

[kvalidir]

I really don't understand how so many intelligent people cannot see the difference between Religious Education- that is learning ABOUT religions of all sorts, and being educated religiously- being taught to BE a member of a certain religion. I could write a letter pretending I was going to join the Tory Party, it certainly doesn't mean it'll ever happen, so why do any of you think that writing this letter will lead to any of the children converting to Islam, or indeed there being any danger of it? Whilst I would like to see religious schools banned, I would not like to see RE banned. Is it really better to wallow around in ignorance of the people we all live alongside, or better to understand their religious beliefs? Ignorance fosters hatred and violence.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //Of course it isn't about you - it's not about any of us.//

Quite, so don’t make it about me.

//So I am surprised that you are ducking my question//

When you ask me a question that relates logically to what you’ve said previously I’ll answer it. As it is, you’ve contradicted yourself so I don’t actually know what you’re saying. On the one hand you say that extremists are ignorant – a statement that prompted me to respond to you - and in the next breath you ask why if education in Islam is alright for me it is not alright for others, which begs the question, do you think extremists ignorant or not? Normal service may be resumed when you've made your mind up.

[vetuste_ennemi]

//I really don't understand how so many intelligent people cannot see the difference between Religious Education- that is learning ABOUT religions of all sorts, and being educated religiously- being taught to BE a member of a certain religion. I could write a letter pretending I was going to join the Tory Party, it certainly doesn't mean it'll ever happen, so why do any of you think that writing this letter will lead to any of the children converting to Islam, or indeed there being any danger of it? //

The confusion suggested in your first sentence doesn't exist, Klavidir. The difference between real education and the homework on offer was described by you in an earlier post. As I recall I cited it.

[kvalidir]

You're still making no sense Enema... nothing changes :/

[naomi24]

I presume kvalidir think's that's^ smart. And speaking of sense - it isn't. :o/

[naomi24]

*thinks* .... rogue apostrophes popping up.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // When you ask me a question that relates logically to what you’ve said previously I’ll answer it. As it is, you’ve contradicted yourself so I don’t actually know what you’re saying. On the one hand you say that extremists are ignorant – a statement that prompted me to respond to you - and in the next breath you ask why if education in Islam is alright for me it is not alright for others, which begs the question, do you think extremists ignorant or not? Normal service may be resumed when you've made your mind up. //

I see potential confusion in the interpretation of the terms 'educated' and 'ignorant', so I am happy to outline how I see them.

To me, there is actually no contradiction in being educated, as well as being ignorant - if the term 'ignorant' encompasses those who have received education, but have completely failed to understand or interpret it correctly.

So a Jihadist can be educated up the eyeballs in Islam, but still be ignorant enough to twist it towards perceived support for an inbuilt desire to maim and kill people.

Which brings me back to my point - if I interpret your response correctly, you are no in favour of this project, or the wider aspect of education in which it is formatted - so I ask again, if education in matters Islamic is OK for you, then why not for others?

You do seem keen on pronouncements regarding posts on here - I am 'incorrect', and Kvalidir is not 'writing sense' - so I think it's time for you to back up these observations, rather than simply putting them out there.

It's nothing to do with making the thread 'about you' - but everything to do with your oft-quoted deep knowledge of Islam, and a reasonable request that you explain your position on this point.