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I know the noise would do my loaf in but at the same time I sympathise with parents trying look after a crying baby.
I know the noise would do my loaf in but at the same time I sympathise with parents trying look after a crying baby.
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Living in a flat or in this case a converted house, you need to realise that your neighbours can often hear your every move - a top floor flat in a conversion is probably the last place this young family would have chosen unless their options were very limited.
I am very lucky with neighbours above me , one older, one younger - we all accept we have different lifestyles,bed times and musical/TV tastes.
Over the years bringing up a family, there have been times of contention, but sorted out amicably.
I am very lucky with neighbours above me , one older, one younger - we all accept we have different lifestyles,bed times and musical/TV tastes.
Over the years bringing up a family, there have been times of contention, but sorted out amicably.
Noise pollution is "any unwanted or excessive noise that disrupts human or animal life."
So this seems to fit the bill (at least as far as the other tenants are concerned). It's unwanted and it disrupts their lives.
I think there is a clear case in many situations to provide separate facilities for those with children (and perhaps those without but who either enjoy or can tolerate their presence) from those without. Housing is certainly one such situation. Aircraft are another.
The difficulty is that parents (quite understandably) cannot see how their little treasures can possibly upset other people simply by "doing what children do". Well they do - and sometimes to an alarming degree. I daresay there is more to this story than meets the eye but I can imagine that being banged up in a block of flats in close proximity to a household with a child screaming at all hours is liable to drive one round the bend.
As for aircraft, there is an untapped market for a carrier who is willing to provide "child free" flights. Young children are mainly not good fliers. They cannot be expected to tolerate the constraints of being confined to a small space for long periods. Couple this with the (to them) inexplicable pain and popping they suffer in their ears and it is no wonder they complain. I returned from the Canary Islands a few weeks ago. Not a long flight but it was made almost intolerable by two young children (who were not that close to me but close enough). They were screaming long before we took off and were still doing so when we landed at Gatwick. People should not have to put up with that just because it's "what children do".
Child-free apartment blocks would be a step in the right direction. Those with children and those tolerant of them can be herded together where they can enjoy the cacophony of screaming and wailing to their hearts' content. The rest of us can be left to enjoy a peaceful existence.
So this seems to fit the bill (at least as far as the other tenants are concerned). It's unwanted and it disrupts their lives.
I think there is a clear case in many situations to provide separate facilities for those with children (and perhaps those without but who either enjoy or can tolerate their presence) from those without. Housing is certainly one such situation. Aircraft are another.
The difficulty is that parents (quite understandably) cannot see how their little treasures can possibly upset other people simply by "doing what children do". Well they do - and sometimes to an alarming degree. I daresay there is more to this story than meets the eye but I can imagine that being banged up in a block of flats in close proximity to a household with a child screaming at all hours is liable to drive one round the bend.
As for aircraft, there is an untapped market for a carrier who is willing to provide "child free" flights. Young children are mainly not good fliers. They cannot be expected to tolerate the constraints of being confined to a small space for long periods. Couple this with the (to them) inexplicable pain and popping they suffer in their ears and it is no wonder they complain. I returned from the Canary Islands a few weeks ago. Not a long flight but it was made almost intolerable by two young children (who were not that close to me but close enough). They were screaming long before we took off and were still doing so when we landed at Gatwick. People should not have to put up with that just because it's "what children do".
Child-free apartment blocks would be a step in the right direction. Those with children and those tolerant of them can be herded together where they can enjoy the cacophony of screaming and wailing to their hearts' content. The rest of us can be left to enjoy a peaceful existence.
NJ, I don't know if they still do, but in Virgin Upper if a passenger was booked in with small children, they did their very best to give them a space away from as many of the other passengers as possible. People flying overnight on business do not need to have their sleep disturbed for whatever reason.
If things had changed during their tenancy I agree it's difficult, as said we've had it here (40 years, so I've had a fair few neighbours) - it's amazing how those new to apartment living don't realise how sound carries.
Such as the guy who carved gravestones whilst they leant on his balcony railing, my Husband sorted that one out by ordering one with the guy's name on it if he didn't stop.
It's a pity this family couldn't be found somewhere more suitable, then all would be happy.
Such as the guy who carved gravestones whilst they leant on his balcony railing, my Husband sorted that one out by ordering one with the guy's name on it if he didn't stop.
It's a pity this family couldn't be found somewhere more suitable, then all would be happy.
The trouble is if you are renting (as I am currently forced to you) you are rather at the whim of landlords (hey, it's their property, I have no beef with that).
One tends to choose a place that is convenient for you for whatever purposes. But whilst you might choose a flat landlords are (as they are entitled to be) picky, so ultimately you are left with little choice.
Professionally I have seen quite mediocre things escalate between neighbours. They are some of the most vitriolic and expensive cases I have seen where the merest slight can become full out war.
One tends to choose a place that is convenient for you for whatever purposes. But whilst you might choose a flat landlords are (as they are entitled to be) picky, so ultimately you are left with little choice.
Professionally I have seen quite mediocre things escalate between neighbours. They are some of the most vitriolic and expensive cases I have seen where the merest slight can become full out war.
If the flat is not made sound proof then the noise will drive neighbours nuts.....I lived above someone else and he complained of the noise...the real cause? .... Chip board had been laid on top of floor boards so every step made the chip board crash into the floor boards creating loud noise....if the flooring had been properly laid with the chip board being screwed into the floor boards there would have been no noise. I suspect some insulation would really help the situation....cheap conversion perhaps.
I truly, truly, truly despise children. They make me sick and I cannot stand being around them.
Even I, arch child-hater, would in this case however side with the parents. I have lived in similar situations where the neighbours' children were a constant irritant, but I would not be so arrogant to think I understood the family's circumstances well enough to complain about their very presence and threaten them with eviction. Regardless of what one's rights are on paper, that is a remarkably self-centred and narcissistic thing to do.
Even I, arch child-hater, would in this case however side with the parents. I have lived in similar situations where the neighbours' children were a constant irritant, but I would not be so arrogant to think I understood the family's circumstances well enough to complain about their very presence and threaten them with eviction. Regardless of what one's rights are on paper, that is a remarkably self-centred and narcissistic thing to do.
I doubt very much we're getting the full story here. I honestly can't see people taking exception to a baby crying.
Chances are the family are making a nuisance of themselves. I didn't read the whole article though - are the parents Hungarian? Ildiko is a Hungarian name (I have a friend with the same name).
Chances are the family are making a nuisance of themselves. I didn't read the whole article though - are the parents Hungarian? Ildiko is a Hungarian name (I have a friend with the same name).
//I honestly can't see people taking exception to a baby crying. //
You'd be surprised how utterly self-important people can be.
Take for example this recent note that was left on an ambulance:
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You'd be surprised how utterly self-important people can be.
Take for example this recent note that was left on an ambulance:
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