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Going on a past thread, there seems more support for radical Islam than there is towards Far-Right Groups, so I ask who are the most dangerous?
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The Far Right are more dangerous. If allowed to flourish, they tend to form governments that murder millions.
We have evidence of this in the 20th century///
The far left have murdered far more people than the far right. And Islam far more than the 2 of them combined. I'm astonished you, or any other fool, doesn't know that.
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The Far Right are more dangerous. If allowed to flourish, they tend to form governments that murder millions.
We have evidence of this in the 20th century///
The far left have murdered far more people than the far right. And Islam far more than the 2 of them combined. I'm astonished you, or any other fool, doesn't know that.
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/// I've never seen anyone support radical Islam either. ///
Perhaps not supporting them in the true sense of the word, but most of you know what I mean.
The lack of condemnation and constant diversions away from radical Islam to be replaced with a much more vibrant condemnation of the Far-Right.
/// I've never seen anyone support radical Islam either. ///
Perhaps not supporting them in the true sense of the word, but most of you know what I mean.
The lack of condemnation and constant diversions away from radical Islam to be replaced with a much more vibrant condemnation of the Far-Right.
sp1814
If you mean 'allies of gay people' to be person's who may have a different opinion about 'same-sex marriage, adoption, transgender issues etc' than yourself, but would not want to throw them off tall buildings or in fact see any other physical harm come to them, then you are right, allies one and all.
I've never know you to criticise Islam for it's more vicious approach to homosexuality, but you regularly attack Christianity's more tolerant approach, if that is not a high stink of hypocrisy by yourself, I don't know what is.
If you mean 'allies of gay people' to be person's who may have a different opinion about 'same-sex marriage, adoption, transgender issues etc' than yourself, but would not want to throw them off tall buildings or in fact see any other physical harm come to them, then you are right, allies one and all.
I've never know you to criticise Islam for it's more vicious approach to homosexuality, but you regularly attack Christianity's more tolerant approach, if that is not a high stink of hypocrisy by yourself, I don't know what is.
No, I’m talking about those people who never tire their criticism of gay people, and then try to justify their position by using the acts of a terrorist organisation as a comparison.
It’s the same as someone who constantly slates Jewish people at every opportunity, but then says, “Well, at least I’m not as bad as Nazis who put them in concentration camps”.
Whilst that is obviously true, it doesn’t detract from the fact that they are in no way a friend of gay people. They’re just using one minority against another.
It’s the same as someone who constantly slates Jewish people at every opportunity, but then says, “Well, at least I’m not as bad as Nazis who put them in concentration camps”.
Whilst that is obviously true, it doesn’t detract from the fact that they are in no way a friend of gay people. They’re just using one minority against another.
Regarding my lack of attacks on Islam.
You raise a very valid point. And I’m going to explain why...
I’ve always been wary of ‘jumping into bed’ with those who I’ve always seen as ‘the enemy’.
The enemy has always been right wing bigots (starting with the National Front in the 70s).
Radical Islam is a blight on the world, and ideally, if all the homophobic fundamentalist ***** (I put the asterisks in) disappeared overnight, I think the world would be a much better place.
However, it honestly turns my stomach to side with folk from the EDL, BNP, BF etc, because I’ve been to their Facebook pages, and I know what they’re like. They hate block people and gay people with a ferocity that means I cannot stand with them.
They say that ‘my enemy’s enemy is my friend’.
I am not sure of that.
Also, regarding Christian fundamentalists who seek to prevent equality for gay people - that’s something that happens on my doorstep. It’s that analogy I used previously...someone knocking over your bins and strewing rubbish over your lawn is less important than a house fire three streets away, but to you it’s more important, because it happens to you.
You raise a very valid point. And I’m going to explain why...
I’ve always been wary of ‘jumping into bed’ with those who I’ve always seen as ‘the enemy’.
The enemy has always been right wing bigots (starting with the National Front in the 70s).
Radical Islam is a blight on the world, and ideally, if all the homophobic fundamentalist ***** (I put the asterisks in) disappeared overnight, I think the world would be a much better place.
However, it honestly turns my stomach to side with folk from the EDL, BNP, BF etc, because I’ve been to their Facebook pages, and I know what they’re like. They hate block people and gay people with a ferocity that means I cannot stand with them.
They say that ‘my enemy’s enemy is my friend’.
I am not sure of that.
Also, regarding Christian fundamentalists who seek to prevent equality for gay people - that’s something that happens on my doorstep. It’s that analogy I used previously...someone knocking over your bins and strewing rubbish over your lawn is less important than a house fire three streets away, but to you it’s more important, because it happens to you.
AOG
You ask:
//Why should gay people or in fact any other minority groups, not be open to criticism, just like the rest of us are?//
Do you remember that chap on AB a few years ago who would only post threads critical of the BBC?
Nothing else - just an endless stream of anti-BBC threads, sometimes multiple times a week?
There was nothing intrinsically wrong with that - but eventually it became obvious that he only wanted to slate the BBC.
It wasn’t the criticism that became the focus of reponders, but the reasons behind the criticism.
Of course, everyone should be up for criticism, but if someone focusses on a narrow band of targets, people with naturally start to wonder why that person ONLY picks on minorities.
It’s just human curiosity.
Let’s say you had a friend who always turned conversations to criticisms of Jewish people. Not just once in a while - but every time you met up with him...wouldn’t alarm bells start ringing?
You ask:
//Why should gay people or in fact any other minority groups, not be open to criticism, just like the rest of us are?//
Do you remember that chap on AB a few years ago who would only post threads critical of the BBC?
Nothing else - just an endless stream of anti-BBC threads, sometimes multiple times a week?
There was nothing intrinsically wrong with that - but eventually it became obvious that he only wanted to slate the BBC.
It wasn’t the criticism that became the focus of reponders, but the reasons behind the criticism.
Of course, everyone should be up for criticism, but if someone focusses on a narrow band of targets, people with naturally start to wonder why that person ONLY picks on minorities.
It’s just human curiosity.
Let’s say you had a friend who always turned conversations to criticisms of Jewish people. Not just once in a while - but every time you met up with him...wouldn’t alarm bells start ringing?
sp1814
Well you have gone to much trouble to condemn the EDL, BNP, BF etc even going to their facebook pages, something most of us have never thought of doing.
And then you carried out an equal condemnation of Christian fundamentalists.
Interesting to note that Islam did not get an equal condemnation for their views on homosexuality.
Granted you had your say regarding Radical Islam but even then you could not bring yourself to add a rude word that would pass the censors,it seemed much easier for you to add a few asterisks.
Come on sp man up these are the people who have committed acts of terrorism on our streets killing innocent women and children and of course (not often mentioned) men.
Surely all that can't fade into insignificance and be less harmful than the few words of hate that you may have read on facebook?
Well you have gone to much trouble to condemn the EDL, BNP, BF etc even going to their facebook pages, something most of us have never thought of doing.
And then you carried out an equal condemnation of Christian fundamentalists.
Interesting to note that Islam did not get an equal condemnation for their views on homosexuality.
Granted you had your say regarding Radical Islam but even then you could not bring yourself to add a rude word that would pass the censors,it seemed much easier for you to add a few asterisks.
Come on sp man up these are the people who have committed acts of terrorism on our streets killing innocent women and children and of course (not often mentioned) men.
Surely all that can't fade into insignificance and be less harmful than the few words of hate that you may have read on facebook?
I agree - the worst thing I’ve lived through was the killing of Lee Rigby. It made me question my stance on capital punishment for the first time ever.
For some reason, I found that murder worse than the Manchester bomb and 7/7 (although I’m not sure why).
If you want a definitive stance from me - I would be more than happy to see every hate-spewing racist fundamentalist Muslim disappear off the face of the earth.
However, I cannot stand shoulder to shoulder with the EDL, BNP and BF because I’m not too far down their list of targets.
It’s always good to know what these groups are for/against (apart from their attitude to Islam).
For some reason, I found that murder worse than the Manchester bomb and 7/7 (although I’m not sure why).
If you want a definitive stance from me - I would be more than happy to see every hate-spewing racist fundamentalist Muslim disappear off the face of the earth.
However, I cannot stand shoulder to shoulder with the EDL, BNP and BF because I’m not too far down their list of targets.
It’s always good to know what these groups are for/against (apart from their attitude to Islam).
AOG
//Well you have gone to much trouble to condemn the EDL, BNP, BF etc even going to their facebook pages, something most of us have never thought of doing.//
It’s well worth doing, but in my case it was purely accidental.
A few years ago, when Britain First started its online presence, they used to post on Facebook, but they were purely innocuous threads (a bit like Buzzfeed crossed with the Lad Bible).
It was only after a while that I clocked their political angle, which lead me to do a bit of research.
//Well you have gone to much trouble to condemn the EDL, BNP, BF etc even going to their facebook pages, something most of us have never thought of doing.//
It’s well worth doing, but in my case it was purely accidental.
A few years ago, when Britain First started its online presence, they used to post on Facebook, but they were purely innocuous threads (a bit like Buzzfeed crossed with the Lad Bible).
It was only after a while that I clocked their political angle, which lead me to do a bit of research.
sp1814
That's more like it sp a very good post, but getting back to groups, why this avid hatred of them are you the same with left wing groups.
Can't you allow them to protest against what they seem to think is important enough to protest about?
It may be a group that wants to protest about the government or royalty, protest against the democratic EU vote, protest against uncontrolled immigration or even the rise of an alien religion.
We all have our own particular reasons to protest, but most of us do it via such sites as facebook or AB, but there are others who are prepared to face opposition and take to the streets.
In a free country, thank goodness this is allowed, but I don't think it should be a choice on what side of the political scale one's protests are allowed to come from.
That's more like it sp a very good post, but getting back to groups, why this avid hatred of them are you the same with left wing groups.
Can't you allow them to protest against what they seem to think is important enough to protest about?
It may be a group that wants to protest about the government or royalty, protest against the democratic EU vote, protest against uncontrolled immigration or even the rise of an alien religion.
We all have our own particular reasons to protest, but most of us do it via such sites as facebook or AB, but there are others who are prepared to face opposition and take to the streets.
In a free country, thank goodness this is allowed, but I don't think it should be a choice on what side of the political scale one's protests are allowed to come from.
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