Brexit On Eu Terms. Uk Housts The White Flag

[Gromit]

// When the time came to hoist the white flag, the cabinet’s swashbuckling Brexiters were nowhere to be seen. Instead, it was left to civil servants to hammer out the terms of Britain’s expensive retreat from the EU, settling a divorce bill that could pave the way for a wider exit agreement struck almost entirely on terms demanded by Brussels. //

Oh dear. Davis, Fox and Johnson have be found wanting. Despite all the rhetoric and fighting talk, they have just caved in. Paying a huge bill.

Should they be replace for the probably more crucial and long term trade agreement talks ?

[vetuste_ennemi]

....therefore you must make allowances.

[youngmafbog]

//Oh dear. Davis, Fox and Johnson have be found wanting//

I disagree. Arch remainer Theresa the appeaser has capitulated (wonder if she has French blood in her?) there was little that Davis, Fox and Johnson could have done.

May will go down as the worst PM ever. If JC wasn't leading the opposition I suspect she would have been ousted by now.

[Togo]

//And by reputation we Brits aren't very good at that. //

Ohh it's not that bad VE. Only about 16million of em. :))

[dannyk13]

//Arch remainer Theresa the appeaser has capitulated//
In what way? Have you a link? Are you privy to what deals have been done?

[Togo]

//The prime minister made several concessions, including a divorce bill that officials estimate at £35bn-£39bn and allowing British courts to refer cases about EU citizens to the European court of justice for another eight years.//

More Here.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/gove-and-johnson-congratulate-may-on-brexit-deal/ar-BBGnQtx?li=BBoPWjQ

[Baldric]

When Mikey uses 'Stopid' I assume he means stoopid?

[dannyk13]

The 'divorce bill' is lower than the amounts that have been bandied about, so that is not a capitulation. If the deal re the EU courts is the only thing she has given in to then that is not too bad a deal. We will have to wait to get the full picture.

[Old_Geezer]

I've not looked too closely to the details yet but it seems the EU has come a little way on accepting a soft border in Ireland. But it looks , at the glance I gave it, as if there is a sting in the tail.

Instead of just being reasonable there is apparently this fall back position whereby if they can be obstructive enough to avoid a trade deal, they get NI to stay in "full alignment" between them and the EU, which is precisely the unacceptable part of the previous draft. They just can't play fair can they.

In the event of that occurring I can see trouble, trouble that would have been avoided if it wasn't shoved in as if it was reasonable and all were happy, at this stage.

[jourdain2]

That's the bit that is sticking in our craws, O_G. :( Not happy. I 'm going to find a white feather and post it to No.10.

[mikey4444]

I have a had a busy day. So, could someone please explain, in Plain English, what is going to happen the border between NI and Eira, post BREXIT ?

[Bigbad]

I’ve only just got home and seen the news.

So, Mrs. May has just rolled over and played dead.
What a weak, gutless woman she is.

[Jackdaw33]

"May will go down as the worst PM ever. "

I have to disagree there, YMB. That title is awarded to Edward Heath to be held in perpetuity.

[Togo]

Fear not Brexiteers. You are watching the death throes and paroxysms of the remoaners as they experience the inevitable. We have rolled forward again and forced them into a new defence position on low ground. The latest barrier is to be "no agreement until everything is agreed". Haha... the mouthpiece Beep Beep Speak even features it in all main bulletins. Meanwhile Mrs Murkhell loses much needed beauty sleep as the left wing in Germany led by Martin Schulz demand a US of E before they will support her fragile hold on reality and Poland Hungary and the Chzech Republic raise up against the latest punishment fine for defying the edict to admit illegal immigrants. In France the child president is not allowed out late at night to play with the big boys and must stay in and do his "homework" and to keep away from those rough lads from up the street. Perhaps we ourselves should now employ delaying tactics, thereby allowing Obi Wan Farage to emerge once more and carry us forward to commit the coup de grace. The longer it now goes the less chance there is of there being anyone to pay a bribe to. The EUSSR feet of clay will crumble and bring down the whole inglorious, corrupt edifice.

[Old_Geezer]

Well Mikey, it is agreed to remain soft. Details still seem a little sparse (maybe because I've not searched enough yet) but the impression I get is that NI will not be treated differently from the rest of the UK after all.

Unless... if a trade deal is not reached later, then the border remains soft by virtue that they will be treated differently from the rest of the UK and have to stay in full alignment with the EU: which I take to mean remain in the customs union / single market. But others may have a clearer picture than I.

[Old_Geezer]

i.e. it has been deliberately set up so the mire will hit the fan once more if a trade deal isn't reached.

[Jackdaw33]

Beauty is not Frau Merkel's strong point, no matter how long she sleeps!

[EDDIE51]

Mikey, NOTHING will happen to the border between The Republic and Northern Ireland it will remain an open / soft border. That had to be guaranteed to get the DUP to stay on side.
Further Scotland, Wales and London all said that if Northern Ireland ,which is as much part of the UK as they are , got ANY sort of special relationship with the EU it would HAVE to apply to them as well. So it was a case of either we had a UK that had NI, Scotland, Wales and London with a different relationship to the EU than the rest or we all had the same as NI.
So, we are now staying in the customs union and in the EEC but leaving only the EU. I see that as leaving the EU in name only I think you will see it the same way. Even more we have agreed that the ECJ will still have the same role as it has now for at least 8 years after we leave the EU and will retain a lesser role permanently.
We have agreed the all EU citizens in the UK will retain all the rights they have now and vice versa, and that this will not change. Except that citizens from the EU who want to come to the UK after brexit will have to register their names with the local authority 6 months after arrival if they want to remain here.
All in all , we are getting out of the EU in name only , which is exactly what I predicted on here months ago.
There is still however a much bigger hurdle.
Once the full deal is agreed between the EU and the UK it has to be taken back to every single one of the other 27 EU states for them to individually debate it in their own parliaments , vote and agree with it.
Just one out of the 27 EU parliaments disagreeing with even part of it and the entire deal is thrown out .

[Davemano]

We are nearer to getting out, and as Togo intimates the financial cost is worth it.

[EDDIE51]

£45 Billion to achieve precisely nothing but getting out in name only?

[jourdain2]

I repeat an earlier post - Gibraltar has not yet entered the equation.
Anyway, from what Schultz has said about an EU state (converging with Macron's views) it would appear that we could save a lot of money in a couple of years if we refuse to join and are simply chucked out. So 'nil desperandum'.