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Interim Fire Report On Grenfell Due Out This Morning
I heard it being discussed on "Today"....it should make interesting reading !
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Here it is !
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"In her interim report Dame Judith Hackitt said she was "shocked" by some of the practices she had seen, calling for better enforcement to "hold to account those who try to cut corners."
and
"She said a "cultural change" was needed instead of "doing things cheaply".
In other words, cutting costs kills people.
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"In her interim report Dame Judith Hackitt said she was "shocked" by some of the practices she had seen, calling for better enforcement to "hold to account those who try to cut corners."
and
"She said a "cultural change" was needed instead of "doing things cheaply".
In other words, cutting costs kills people.
Yes it does YMB.
When the final report of the Enquiry comes out, which may not be for a couple of years, its fairly obvious that the choice of a flammable cladding material, over the less flammable, but more expensive type, will be seen as a major factor in the rapid spread of the fire.
The Council had a free choice in ::::
1....whether to clad the flats in the first place.
2....which material that was used.
The Local Fire Authority asked them to choose the safer material, but again, excising that choice, the Council used the less safe material.
When the final report of the Enquiry comes out, which may not be for a couple of years, its fairly obvious that the choice of a flammable cladding material, over the less flammable, but more expensive type, will be seen as a major factor in the rapid spread of the fire.
The Council had a free choice in ::::
1....whether to clad the flats in the first place.
2....which material that was used.
The Local Fire Authority asked them to choose the safer material, but again, excising that choice, the Council used the less safe material.
/Just how "wise" do you think it was, to use the cheaper cladding material, instead of the stuff that was considerably more fire-resistant ?
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Isn't that like asking "Why don't they make the entire aeroplane out of the stuff the indestructible black box is made of?"
In tragedies like this, more can always have been done on hindsight, but throwing money at a problem isn't always the solution.
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Isn't that like asking "Why don't they make the entire aeroplane out of the stuff the indestructible black box is made of?"
In tragedies like this, more can always have been done on hindsight, but throwing money at a problem isn't always the solution.
Interim report key findings-
The work of the review to date has found that the
current regulatory system for ensuring fire
safety in high-rise and complex buildings is
not fit for purpose. This applies throughout the
life cycle of a building, both during construction
and occupation, and is a problem connected
both to the culture of the construction industry
and the effectiveness of the regulators.
The key reasons for this are:
• Current regulations and guidance are too
complex and unclear. This can lead to confusion
and misinterpretation in their application
to high-rise and complex buildings.
• Clarity of roles and responsibilities is poor. Even
where there are requirements for key activities
to take place across design, construction
and maintenance, it is not always clear who
has responsibility for making it happen.
• Despite many who demonstrate good practice,
the means of assessing and ensuring the
competency of key people throughout the system
is inadequate. There is often no differentiation
in competency requirements for those working
on high-rise and complex buildings.
• Compliance, enforcement and sanctions
processes are too weak. What is being designed
is not what is being built and there is a lack of
robust change control. The lack of meaningful
sanctions does not drive the right behaviours.
• The route for residents to escalate
concerns is unclear and inadequate.
• The system of product testing, marketing
and quality assurance is not clear.
The work of the review to date has found that the
current regulatory system for ensuring fire
safety in high-rise and complex buildings is
not fit for purpose. This applies throughout the
life cycle of a building, both during construction
and occupation, and is a problem connected
both to the culture of the construction industry
and the effectiveness of the regulators.
The key reasons for this are:
• Current regulations and guidance are too
complex and unclear. This can lead to confusion
and misinterpretation in their application
to high-rise and complex buildings.
• Clarity of roles and responsibilities is poor. Even
where there are requirements for key activities
to take place across design, construction
and maintenance, it is not always clear who
has responsibility for making it happen.
• Despite many who demonstrate good practice,
the means of assessing and ensuring the
competency of key people throughout the system
is inadequate. There is often no differentiation
in competency requirements for those working
on high-rise and complex buildings.
• Compliance, enforcement and sanctions
processes are too weak. What is being designed
is not what is being built and there is a lack of
robust change control. The lack of meaningful
sanctions does not drive the right behaviours.
• The route for residents to escalate
concerns is unclear and inadequate.
• The system of product testing, marketing
and quality assurance is not clear.
And the conclusion thus far:
"Conclusion
In summary, this is a call to action for an entire industry and those parts of government that oversee it. True and lasting change will require a universal shift in culture. The industry has shown this is possible in the way the health and safety of construction workers has seen a positive transformation in culture and practice over the last decade. This change needs to start now. A summit will be called in early 2018 with key stakeholders to discuss taking this work forward."
Nothing whatsoever suggesting that throwing money at it would have saved any lives , Mikey.
"Conclusion
In summary, this is a call to action for an entire industry and those parts of government that oversee it. True and lasting change will require a universal shift in culture. The industry has shown this is possible in the way the health and safety of construction workers has seen a positive transformation in culture and practice over the last decade. This change needs to start now. A summit will be called in early 2018 with key stakeholders to discuss taking this work forward."
Nothing whatsoever suggesting that throwing money at it would have saved any lives , Mikey.
If nothing will convince you then there was little point in looking at the interim report and even less at the full results when they reach a conclusion.
You have made your mind up.
As stated above, it's a huge and complex area that has spurred action already in small ways even in my own home.
It's not as simple as we'd like it to be.
You have made your mind up.
As stated above, it's a huge and complex area that has spurred action already in small ways even in my own home.
It's not as simple as we'd like it to be.
Mamy....we all saw those tests on the cladding material.
This whole business could be stretched out for years, as the Enquiry will have to wait until the Police have completed their investigation, and any subsequent prosecutions, before it can start its business properly.
With my health in its present state, I may not be around for the end of this affair, but if the cladding isn't implicated in the inferno, then I am a Dutchman, albeit maybe a dead Dutchman.
This whole business could be stretched out for years, as the Enquiry will have to wait until the Police have completed their investigation, and any subsequent prosecutions, before it can start its business properly.
With my health in its present state, I may not be around for the end of this affair, but if the cladding isn't implicated in the inferno, then I am a Dutchman, albeit maybe a dead Dutchman.
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