Further To My Thread, "can't Black Children Be 'little Monkeys' Also"?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5257715/Mother-H-M-race-row-child-model-speaks-out.html

Well said that mother.

[emmie]

well said, but there are others out there who are or have taken offence at this, not everyone is so laid back.

[woofgang]

She is entitled to her view....and given that she allowed her son to modelit, she would say that wouldn’t she?

[emmie]

as i said on your other thread black people have often been referred to as monkeys who should go back to the jungle, appalling as that is, so you can see why some might get a little bit upset by this slogan.

[ToraToraTora]

fair play but I wonder how much is based on her not wanting her boy to lose and further modelling work.

[Islay]

Well it has caused offence to other black people! I believe that a DJ has said that despite having previously worked with HM before that he wouldn't again.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[hc4361]

Black footballers in Sweden have been abused by 'fans' calling them monkeys and making monkey noises, so the problem is as prevalent over there as it is here.

Still, she is as entitled to her opinion as I am to mine

[ummmm]

I don't think it's H&M's fault. It's that one person who gave it the thumbs up.

But...if you look at the collection it's all jungle related. Innocent if they were just on hangers in a shop.

[anotheoldgit]

Islay

/// Everyone is entitled to their opinion. ///

I'll hold you to that.

[Islay]

AOG - I have never said you are not entitled to your opinion - i just don't have to agree with it.

[Khandro]

An endearing insult when I was young was "You cheeky monkey!"
The great Manchester comedian Al Read's catch phrase was "Right monkey!" all of which were aimed at white people. Then there are more here;
https://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2014/12/16/monkey-business-and-other-phrases/

[mccfluff]

Its is H&M's fault, it Wouldnt have been one person, there would have been a team and the campaign signed off, I find it hard to believe this got past everyone involved & the cynic in me wonders if it was deliberate.

It's not the end of the world, there are far worse things going on but it is very recent history and probably still ongoing that black people have be told to go back to the jungle so to put a black model in this top was always going to provoke a reaction the mum's response isn't really relevant.

[albaqwerty]

a clever advertising ploy by H&M to get talked about and put back into the public's awareness.
(may have lost them a few customers tho)

[hc4361]

Nowadays clothes models are photographed in a series of poses with the clothes added afterwards by computer. This is also the case for furniture adverts and I suspect many other tv and photo ads, too.

It is reasonable to believe that the mother nor the child himself even saw the clothes before they were published. I'm not saying this is definitely the case but it is a possibility.

Mother wouldn't rock the boat of her son's modelling career by speaking against the advert; or she may genuinely see nothing wrong with the slogan.

[youngmafbog]

Just about anything seems to offend someone now we have the tools of the devil Twitface etc.

All the 'offended' have done here is create division where there was none.

I just hope the poor little lads career is not ruined for a few right-on keyboard warriors.

[Khandro]

hc; I know you do graphics, but you would have to be good to add that jumper to that boy in that pose, you could change the colour fairly easily though I guess.

[hc4361]

You'd be surprised, khandro. One of the big furniture retailers who frequently advertise on tv were fined because they misrepresented the size of a sofa. They had shrunk the woman who walked up to it and sat on it so the sofa appeared bigger than it actually was.

Their defence was they used the images of the woman on various sofas and chairs and didn't mean to mislead. The advertising company would have all the software necessary to change the boys clothing quickly

[anotheoldgit]

The outcome of all this is the fact that white parents will now not be able to purchase this garment for their children, simply because some have chosen to take offence. They themselves can choose not to purchase it of course, if they deem it so offensive.

[Old_Geezer]

Well, I suppose folk have a right to get offended at anything they wish.

[hc4361]

AOG, I thought you were on favour of banning people from wearing whatever they like

[Cloverjo]

Children of all races have been called 'little monkeys' or 'cheeky monkeys'. I've never seen or heard of anyone being a 'cool monkey'. Poor choice of words, I think, but not offensive. Perhaps something got lost in translation.