Is It Both Racist And Homophobic For This Italian Politician To Show Concern Over The Possibility Of The White Race Being 'wiped Out'?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5276195/Racism-row-Italy-politicians-white-race-remark.html

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //The Op asks if this man is racist and homophobic. //

Firstly I think aog has used the wrong word there and means xenophobic rather than homophobic - but that aside I'm not side-tracking at all - simply offering rational analogies - and I answered the question a while ago. No I don't think it's racist, homophobic - or xenophobic to wish to preserve ones culture and heritage.

[naomi24]

ps. I'm going to cook supper now, Au revoir.

[aelmpvw]

i thought my first post clarified that 'homophobic' was a typo and nothing to do with the debate?

[naomi24]

aelmpvw, it did - but had clearly been missed by some of the other posters.

Must dash - one eye on the screen and the other on the cooker doesn't bode well for the cooking!

[sp1814]

I see that in my absence, the knot has only gotten tighter.

naomi24 - surely you can see the illogic in your argument.

//sp, you know exactly what I mean. I may live in Nigeria but it doesn't make me black.//

That's not is in question.

You wrote:

//Krom, but Europeans are white.//

That's simply not the case, as my link which details the various ethnic mixes of Europeans going back millennia attests.

If someone is descended from people who have been in Europe for thousands of years and are black, they are STILL European.

Their racial background is not the point.

Take Rhodesia for example. If a family of white farmers emigrated from Yorkshire to Rhodesia in the late 1800s, would their great grandchildren who were born there today be Rhodesian?

Of course they would.

The colour of their skin is irrelevant.

Do you see?

[andy-hughes]

jackdaw - at a rough count, the posts so far count up like this -

Various - 31
AOG - 8
Naomi - 15
SP - 12
You - 6

and me - 6.

That means I have posted as often as you, and less than Naomi, SP, and AOG.

So if it's anyone's 'show' - it's not mine.

If you have to have your pointless, snide, off-thread digs, go ahead, but try being as accurate as you are spiteful, it will help your vanishing credibility.

[-Talbot-]

Take Rhodesia for example. If a family of white farmers emigrated from Yorkshire to Rhodesia in the late 1800s, would their great grandchildren who were born there today be Rhodesian?

Of course they would.


They wouldn't ... they would be Yorkshire Rhodesian.

[pixie374]

Their great-grandchildren could be any nationality, depending on who they all had children with.

[pixie374]

If they all interbred, they would still be pure Yorkist. No matter where you put them .

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // andy-hughes, //The Op asks if this man is racist and homophobic. //

Firstly I think aog has used the wrong word there and means xenophobic rather than homophobic - but that aside I'm not side-tracking at all - simply offering rational analogies - and I answered the question a while ago. //

I think we have all understood that AOG mis-used and adjective, which is why I have made no reference to homophobia, since it is not relevant, only racism, which clearly is relevant.

// No I don't think it's racist, homophobic - or xenophobic to wish to preserve ones culture and heritage. //

Neither do I, but this man is not talking about culture or heritage, he is talking about race, specifically ' the white race'.

Here's his quote, in case you did miss it - //'We have to decide if our ethnicity, if our white race, if our society continues to exist or if it will be wiped out,'

I have no problem with anyone looking to preserve their culture or heritage, or both, but you and I know, because we have both read the same piece, that culture and heritage are not mentioned, but race and ethnicity are, in terms of 'our' ethncity and race - nothing about culture or heritage, just 'our white race'.

I am amazed that you are going to such lengrhs to twist and turn the meaning of what this man has said, when it is there in black and white - no pun intended.

Your trying to gloss over his reference to 'our white race' by substituting phrases like 'culture' and 'heritage' is looking more nonsensical with every additioanl defence you try and make of it.

You can call an ass a horse, but it doesn't shorten its ears.

Why not quit while you are behind?

[Jackdaw33]

When it comes to pointless, snide, off-thread digs I couldn't hold a candle to you. 'Vanishing credibility' is just one example of your remarks.

[andy-hughes]

jacdaw - // When it comes to pointless, snide, off-thread digs I couldn't hold a candle to you. 'Vanishing credibility' is just one example of your remarks. //

Yet again you are looking for a fight, yet again, I will not be giving you one.

You were nasty, and inaccurate, you were caught out.

Why don't you drop it and get back to the OP and stop wasting everyone's time with your petty squabbling.

[Jackdaw33]

//You were nasty, and inaccurate\\

I'll let others be the judge of that. The only person looking for a fight is yourself, but you won't get one from me.

[Togo]

Oh Gawd the care in the community experiment has been let loose on this thread. Time to ignore it.

[andy-hughes]

Exactly Togo - back to the thread shall we?

[naomi24]

sp, what Talbot said at 20:43.

andy-hughes, //I am amazed….//

No change there then. You’re on yet another fantasy trip – blame your now infamous ‘perception’ - and I have no intention of indulging you.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // No change there then. You’re on yet another fantasy trip – blame your now infamous ‘perception’ - and I have no intention of indulging you. //

And you are on another smoke-screening attempt to dodge admitting that you are defending the indefensible with your talk of 'culture' when the thrust of the OP is about race.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, race is about a lot of things, including culture. I'll put it briefly. I don’t agree with you.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // andy-hughes, race is about a lot of things, including culture. I'll put it briefly. I don’t agree with you. //

We will have to agree to differ, but on the basis that we can only discuss what this man actually said, rather than ponder if his words had any wider meaning or not - I think it is fair to take him at his word - so to address the OP - yes it is racist and xenophobic to talk about 'the white race' in the terms that he did.

He may or may not have wider concerns about 'culture' - but from his speech, it would appear that is racism is at the top of his agenda.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //I think it is fair to take him at his word //

You do? Then rather than falsely pepper what you're reading with words like 'superior', do that.