How Weary Stale Flat And Unprofitable ....

[vetuste_ennemi]

... seem to me all the uses of this world.

As in trying to engage Mikey or similar in honest discussion.

Bad starting point: "I right you, you wrong. I good, you bad" .

Preferred starting point: "I think I'm right (for these reasons), but you disagree because...".

[Old_Geezer]

I think you wrong.

[david small]

But on the one hand.....then again....

[mikey4444]

JJ...I have responded to your previous post, so I am unclear what you mean by "engage Mikey or similar in honest discussion".

[vetuste_ennemi]

Dear me.

[cassa333]

VE! The honest discussion is only one way. Anything that does not fit their ideals and propaganda is resoundly ignored or twisted. See the gifted thread for confirmation of this.

Actually I haven't figured out why it is headed Gifted!!

[Khandro]

There's no so deaf as them as don't want to 'ear.

[Jackdaw33]

It's a typo, Cassa. He meant to say 'shafted'.

[Tilly2]

Is this a news story?

[Mamyalynne]

Me from Barcelona.

[fiction-factory]

Just Jude uses a film title for all his/her posts. Sometimes the title is slightly related, sometimes not

[vetuste_ennemi]

...no, Tilly.

[Garaman]

Mikey, I don't agree with your politics, but you come across much better than the pack who attack you.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Who are these people attacking Mikey, Garaman? Let me know and I'll sort them out.

[Garaman]

I must be imagining it,VE, that's good.

[douglas9401]

I believe it's traditional for a sage to impart knowledge to the masses and brook no dissent from the lower orders.

I have, apparently, been consigned to the naughty step/sin bin and consequently know my place and will sit here in Coventry until I wise the fork up and get with the program (sic). :-)

[mikey4444]

Thanks Garaman. As one of the few left-wingers on this site, who is prepared to post in a variety of subjects, I am used to the ganging-up procedure. Its been much in evidence today !

[jourdain2]

I'm a bit late, but I think that all you have to do is look at poor Mary Beard today. She is in tears. She posted a perfectly sane opinion regarding the Oxfam issue and began with the statement that she did not condone any misbehaviour (to paraphrase). She went on to try to understand the stresses that might make unpardonable behaviour, pardonable. She is being crucified on line, poor woman.

Debate and sane, rational argument no longer seem to apply. Mob mentality is growing. Perhaps lack of vocabulary has something to do with it, but I feel that it is a deeper schism than that.

[mikey4444]

Beard is being bullied, pure and simple, and its a disgrace.

[Jackdaw33]

I haven't read Mary Beard's contribution (a brilliant Latin scholar). Have you a link?

[tonyav]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/mary-beard-posts-tearful-picture-of-herself-after-defence-of-oxfam-aid-workers-provokes-backlash/ar-BBJh3Wf?li=BBoPWjQ