ChatterBank1 min ago
Brexit Disaster Looming
Once more May's tory bunch has demonstrated complete lack of consideration for the devolution settlement. The cabinet subcommittee met at Chequers to decide the UK position for the next stage of negotiations. There was no Scottish, or Welsh representation at that crucial meeting.
The Northern Ireland secretary was there because the DUP's opinion must be respected given
they prop up May's sorry excuse for a government. God help Ireland when the Good Friday agreement is ignored to serve the interests of the Brexiteers. No one has yet explained how you can have an open border between the North and South of the Island of Ireland without either Irish unity or membership of the customs union and single market.
No fudge as employed in December will work this time. A fudge cannot be detailed in legislation.
Scotland, Wales and the Republic of Ireland cannot be ignored.
The Northern Ireland secretary was there because the DUP's opinion must be respected given
they prop up May's sorry excuse for a government. God help Ireland when the Good Friday agreement is ignored to serve the interests of the Brexiteers. No one has yet explained how you can have an open border between the North and South of the Island of Ireland without either Irish unity or membership of the customs union and single market.
No fudge as employed in December will work this time. A fudge cannot be detailed in legislation.
Scotland, Wales and the Republic of Ireland cannot be ignored.
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Apologies, I should have written ‘will have a border with a non EU country’. The main point I’m trying to make is that this is not, unlike some people are trying to make out, an issue of the EU’s making. As for a few scribes tinkering with the wording.....I think this is a vast oversimplification of the situation. Did you read my link?
Yes I did. I read near enough all of it.
It is clear from that link that NI has no right of veto over anything the UK government does in connection with Brexit. It is equally clear that no effective border should exist between Ireland and the UK. I would suggest that the GF agreement has nothing to do with Brexit apart from the references within its text to the EU. As far as the border goes, Ireland does not want one, the UK does not want one. That just leaves one party that does. If the EU insists on there being one that is a matter for Ireland to resolve as we will no longer be EU members and cannot expect to have any influence on its affairs.
If it is being suggested that the GF Agreement is effectively a barrier to Brexit then the government needs to do some serious thinking. NI comprises a tiny part of the UK population and if it seems that such a small constituent part can hold a veto over the rest of the UK then the GF Agreement needs to be binned. It was never worth much anyway and was simply a sop by the Blair administration in a misguided attempt to stop people kneecapping each other. Hopefully with the collapse of the Stormont Administration it will be consigned to history and the delusions of grandeur that NI (and to a similar degree, Scotland and Wales) enjoy will be just a memory.
It is clear from that link that NI has no right of veto over anything the UK government does in connection with Brexit. It is equally clear that no effective border should exist between Ireland and the UK. I would suggest that the GF agreement has nothing to do with Brexit apart from the references within its text to the EU. As far as the border goes, Ireland does not want one, the UK does not want one. That just leaves one party that does. If the EU insists on there being one that is a matter for Ireland to resolve as we will no longer be EU members and cannot expect to have any influence on its affairs.
If it is being suggested that the GF Agreement is effectively a barrier to Brexit then the government needs to do some serious thinking. NI comprises a tiny part of the UK population and if it seems that such a small constituent part can hold a veto over the rest of the UK then the GF Agreement needs to be binned. It was never worth much anyway and was simply a sop by the Blair administration in a misguided attempt to stop people kneecapping each other. Hopefully with the collapse of the Stormont Administration it will be consigned to history and the delusions of grandeur that NI (and to a similar degree, Scotland and Wales) enjoy will be just a memory.
Everyone has a responsibility to act in a decent manner. I'm amazed anyone would question, "why ?"
Reading EU documentation regarding something that isn't an EU matter is hardly helpful. If there are reference to the EU in the GF agrerment then it needs ti be updated to remove them.
Err... Illegal immigrantion is against the law in all countries that have immigration law. Was that a serious question ?
Reading EU documentation regarding something that isn't an EU matter is hardly helpful. If there are reference to the EU in the GF agrerment then it needs ti be updated to remove them.
Err... Illegal immigrantion is against the law in all countries that have immigration law. Was that a serious question ?
I agree with most of what you say NJ. That deal with the DUP is returning to bite Ms May on the bum.
As Lord Hain said “It makes me despair that a Government this chaotic and incompetent is negotiating something as complex and important as Brexit.”
I’m sure we all echo his sentiments to some degree.
By the way, what’s it like having a Jackdaw as your minion?
As Lord Hain said “It makes me despair that a Government this chaotic and incompetent is negotiating something as complex and important as Brexit.”
I’m sure we all echo his sentiments to some degree.
By the way, what’s it like having a Jackdaw as your minion?
“Can I ask NJ the question posed a while ago; it is the UK who want to stop free movement of people. How can you do that with an open border in Ireland? No checks, no customs posts.
The Republic of Ireland is a full member of the EU.”
Course you can.
There has been no effective border between the UK and Ireland for a hundred years – long before the EU was even thought of. That was a decision taken between the two parties. The fact that the EU allows freedom of movement across all its member nations is not relevant to the question of a borderless arrangement between Ireland and the UK.
Furthermore, there is far more to free movement, EU style, than simply movement. It also bestows the right to settle, work and receive benefits. If the UK leaves the EU (properly) it will be able to determine who settles, works and draws benefits here. So whilst citizens from other EU countries may cross the border from Ireland (though I doubt there will be many) they will not have right of abode, employment and benefits. That will be a matter for the UK alone.
The Republic of Ireland is a full member of the EU.”
Course you can.
There has been no effective border between the UK and Ireland for a hundred years – long before the EU was even thought of. That was a decision taken between the two parties. The fact that the EU allows freedom of movement across all its member nations is not relevant to the question of a borderless arrangement between Ireland and the UK.
Furthermore, there is far more to free movement, EU style, than simply movement. It also bestows the right to settle, work and receive benefits. If the UK leaves the EU (properly) it will be able to determine who settles, works and draws benefits here. So whilst citizens from other EU countries may cross the border from Ireland (though I doubt there will be many) they will not have right of abode, employment and benefits. That will be a matter for the UK alone.
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