First Fgm Trial In Uk Collapses.

[Gromit]

Detectives have promised to learn lessons after the groundbreaking trial of a father accused of allowing his six-year-old daughter to undergo female genital mutilation (FGM) collapsed.

A judge at Bristol crown court ordered that the 29-year-old father be found not guilty of child cruelty and criticised aspects of the case against the man.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/feb/22/bristol-father-found-not-guilty-female-genital-mutilation-trial-six-year-old-daughter

[hc4361]

Eddie, a renowned gynaecologist examined the girl and could find NO evidence that she had undergone any FGM procedure

[Sqad]

ummmm....yes, I know.

[ummmm]

So some can't be denied.

[Sqad]

^^^^^...well, we will have to wait and see.
Being criminal the evidence will have to be..."beyond reasonable doubt."

[ummmm]

It's so cruel.

Why would a man want to have sex with a woman when he knows it's painful and she's getting no sexual pleasure. I can't, and won't, understand that mentality.

[dannyk13]

TTT
//Always abroad normally Pakistan//. I think you will find the majority of FGM's originate in Africa, particularly in Somalia.

[Sqad]

ummmm...as you know, Gynaecology is not my speciality BUT if i were defence expert witness in a case of FGM....I would certainly go through this list as an alternative cause of the grossly abnormal vagina.

Infectious Vaginitis
Common Causes
Bacterial vaginosis (40%-50% of cases)
Vulvovaginal candidiasis (20%-25% of cases)
Trichomoniasis (15%-20% of cases)
Less-Common Causes
Atrophic vaginitis with secondary bacterial infection
Foreign body with secondary infection
Desquamative inflammatory vaginitis (clindamycin responsive)
Streptococcal vaginitis (group A)
Ulcerative vaginitis associated with Staphylococcus aureus and toxic shock syndrome
Idiopathic vulvovaginal ulceration associated with HIV infection
Noninfectious Vaginitis
Chemical or other irritant
Allergic, hypersensitivity, and contact dermatitis (lichen simplex)
Traumatic vaginitis
Atrophic vaginitis
Postpuerperal atrophic vaginitis
Desquamative inflammatory vaginitis (steroid responsive)
Erosive lichen planus
Collagen vascular disease, Behçet's syndrome, pemphigus syndromes
Idiopathic vaginitis

[237SJ]

I think there are scars after fgm. One examiner said his conclusion was that fgm had taken place but the second examiner couldn't be sure. They also found contacts that perform circumcision in the family's mobile phone and the father explained that away by saying the circumcision contact also circumcises boys. The action group that the only witness was attached to made some doubt what he had to say, the 6 year old girl wouldn't talk and the mother's answer to most questions was "No comment". A very hard case to prove

[Sqad]

237.......exactly.

[ladybirder]

Right at the end it was said, I think, by the woman detective, that they had another case going to court shortly. Do we know if that has yet happened and if so the result? Anybody? Thanks.

[Gromit]

The man in this case was Somali.

[Gromit]

More info here...

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/questions-asked-lead-investigator-collapsed-1262181

It seems the lead police investigator, and the main witness knew each other prior to the case being reported.

[Gromit]

A London man was charged in November and a trial is imminent.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/londoner-charged-with-causing-fgm-in-landmark-uk-prosecution-a3674656.html

[naomi24]

hc4361, //a renowned gynaecologist examined the girl and could find NO evidence that she had undergone any FGM procedure//

And I saw NO reference to ‘a renowned gynaecologist’, simply to a consultant gynaecologist. I would like to know his name.

sqad, //Is this abnormal vagina likely to be caused by FGM?//

Other than stitching the opening up, leaving only a small gap through which menstrual blood may escape, FGM isn’t usually carried out on the vagina, but on the clitoris and labia. That is why, contrary to popular misconception, internal examination isn’t essential to recognise mutilation.

[ladybirder]

Thanks Gromit, that must be the case they mentioned last night. Looks like it's the father (or relative) then if the defendant can't be named?

[ToraToraTora]

danny at 12:10, what?? I don't think that's for me is it?

[emmie]

what a barbaric practice, if they can't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt then more girls will simply be cut, the whole thing makes me so angry.

[Sqad]

naomi......yes I do know the anatomy of that part.......i sued the word "vagina" not as a connoisseur but as a layperson for all to understand, being an anatomist or otherwise.

[bainbrig]

I'm surprised that the White Van Fraternity/Sorority hasn't pointed out that this is all part of the Great Islamic Conspiracy, which is now so deep that even prominent gynaecologists and lawyers are sucked in to it.

[Sqad]

LOL ^^^^ you mean like Freemasonry?...;-)