Ok As Requested By Z M, Eu, Can The Remainers Give Us Any Positive Reasons To Stay In The Eu...

[ToraToraTora]

...NOT more, 10 plagues of Egypt type predictions if we don't. I'm talking about things they should have used during the referendum instead of totally negative campaigning. Thanks

[Quizmonster]

At 13.36, TTT, for whom, precisely, was "COB" an agent...preferably with supporting evidence, rather than just a wild claim shown to be baseless?
In the real world, as opposed to AB, one of the throng of Deputy Chairpersons of the Tory party had to pay a high price for holding a similar view to yours.

[Togo]

//Kathyan, when the UK was pleading to get into the ECM it was on the verge of bankruptcy - UK industry was on its knees purely through domestic efforts//

I don't think that some of us have forgotten those times....or how it happened. Indeed we see the spectre of agent Cob and his cohorts from Momentum gleefully expecting to take us back to the days when the unions had sufficient influence to drag us down into Venezualan like death throes.

[cassa333]

So no real reason to stay in the EU then Zac.

All you have done is give a list of things that the EU does that we can do ourselves with the added bonus of autonomy and sovereignty.

Add to that within the EU over time we would have lost all nationhood and been forced into a federalist state will even less ability to influence what we as a nation need.

[Jackdaw33]

Agree with Togo. The unions even dragged down the Heath government, not that I'm saying that that was necessarily a bad thing to do. The worst Tory government since time immemorial.

[ToraToraTora]

QM: "At 13.36, TTT, for whom, precisely, was "COB" an agent...preferably with supporting evidence, rather than just a wild claim shown to be baseless?" - please start another thread if you want to talk about TLOTO's spying pedigree, I'm trying to keep this one on track.

[New Judge]

“3. I’m not sure giving back our own political system total control over us is such a good idea.”

Oh Dear!

With that statement alone, Zacs, as I alluded to earlier today, you will never, ever, understand the motives behind many Leavers voting the way they did. I am now convinced that further debate along these lines is utterly pointless. I’m not saying I’ll give up, but I’ll bear in mind your opinion that one of the reasons you have for wanting to remain in the EU is that it is a method of wresting control of the UK’s affairs away from UK politicians.

[Zacs-Master]

I gave up on you when you started citing lightbulbs and vacuum cleaners as valid reasons to leave NJ, so looks like we’re at stalemate.

[Hymie]

Kathyan posted – ‘I've asked on numerous forums but never had an answer!’

Well you have now!!!!

With 10 minutes of your post, Zacs-Master listed 8 examples.

In response to ZM’s post you list spurious rebuttals.

Once Brexit finally arrives, you can bet I’ll be listing (on this site) advantages of being within the EU that we lose.
High on that list is mobile phone roaming charges, loss of the right to compensation for delayed flights, insurance companies insisting on additional fees to drive in Europe, loss of rights given to workers under the working time directive etc etc.

Had we remained within the EU, I believe it would have been a racing certainty that the EU would ban zero hours contracts – they would never allow their citizens to be treated so appallingly.
There is no chance whatsoever of Mrs May banning such practices – with so many of her donors benefiting through exploiting their workforce.

[New Judge]

"I gave up on you when you started citing lightbulbs and vacuum cleaners as valid reasons to leave NJ"

I did no such thing. I gave them (at your insistence) as examples of the way the EU effects our everyday lives. My reason for leaving is singlefold and simple - I prefer the UK's affairs (including lightbulbs and vacuum cleaners) to be determined by the UK Parliament and not by unelected foreign civil servants.

"so looks like we’re at stalemate."

A least we can agree on something :-)

[jno]

The EU is big enough to take on the giant corporations like Microsoft and Google over their practices, and has done so and won. Britain alone doesn’t have the power or the will to do so. Expect Amazon to go right on making up its own mind how much tax it will pay after Breit.

[Garaman]

[Quizmonster]

Ah, TTT, I'm sure you could have actually answered my question in about the same number of words as you've used NOT to answer it! Pretty much as I expected.

[ToraToraTora]

ok then QM, the answer is the Soviet union via the Czech version of the KGB.

[kvalidir]

Státní bezpečnost (StB) was I think the word you were looking for Tora :)

[lindapalmara]

I don't want to join this bun fight. Have read many books on the EU but at the moment is

The Great European Union Rip off. How the corrupt EU is taking control of our lives, by David Craig and Matthew Elliot"



You can download a sample on a kindle but if you care about your blood pressure you might not get to the end.

[Quizmonster]

And, TTT, the evidence - as I requested earlier - is...?
I'll help you; the answer is "non-existent".

[ludwig]

// Expect Amazon to go right on making up its own mind how much tax it will pay after Breit.//

So no change then. If it's been doing that before Brexit, EU membership wasn't doing us much good on that score.

[scooping]

Fed up with all this economic speculation. Us Brexiteers just want our country to control its own affairs and not run by bureaucrats elsewhere. Simple.