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Russia Takes The Salisbury Poisoning Row To The Hague, Have They A Case?
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But how wold you react if you were falsely accused TTT? I have no idea whether they are guilty or not but if the evidence is not there then as I have said before on here they have to be considered innocent.
Taking the case to The Hague is the right course of action rather than continue with silly threats they could come out of this smelling of roses whilst Theresa the Appeaser smells of the stuff you put on them.
Taking the case to The Hague is the right course of action rather than continue with silly threats they could come out of this smelling of roses whilst Theresa the Appeaser smells of the stuff you put on them.
Too many unanswered questions in all this, for me.
Why would a country use such an unusual way to try and get rid of one of their fellow citizens, when it would point directly back to them.
The fact that the place of administering this lethal product is on the doorstep to our own chemical research establishment, is also questionable.
Why would a country use such an unusual way to try and get rid of one of their fellow citizens, when it would point directly back to them.
The fact that the place of administering this lethal product is on the doorstep to our own chemical research establishment, is also questionable.
all good points Gentlemen. We do not know what evidence we have we only know that in order for the reset of the civilised world to follow us it must have been pretty conclusive. I accept, perhaps naively, that ours and other governments can not make public the full extent of their case for obvious reasons, we must therefore make the judgement we feel comfortable with and trust our own government and that of the US et al. Make no mistake if the US is taking the action it has they must have been convinced. The problem is that many are focusing on the substance but there are many other aspects involving the whole mirky world of espionage that we are not party to.
It's difficult to conceive of another State with a viable facility to create the poison and that has a motive to cause international trouble. No doubt there is much the common folk aren't made aware of, but we do see the dismissive attitude of the accused, and the half baked protests and blame shifting made. The world is not naive. There is rarely no doubt about something, but plenty of times where something is beyond reasonable doubt. Let them take their protest to the Hague, see how strong or weak it is.
No case whatever.
This was, effectively, a military attack of the most indiscriminate kind. What if a child, never mind a policeman, had touched that door handle, or approached the ailing couple in the park.
Russia has lied, obfsucated and spread pernicious rumours ans lies from day one
I find it incredible that are people here would would even entertain the thought that this was the work of the British government.
How could you trust for example, or expect the EU to trust, in Brexit negotiations or in any other respect, as you seem so many of you constantly to want to do, our government, if you think it would be capable of that sort of action?
This was, effectively, a military attack of the most indiscriminate kind. What if a child, never mind a policeman, had touched that door handle, or approached the ailing couple in the park.
Russia has lied, obfsucated and spread pernicious rumours ans lies from day one
I find it incredible that are people here would would even entertain the thought that this was the work of the British government.
How could you trust for example, or expect the EU to trust, in Brexit negotiations or in any other respect, as you seem so many of you constantly to want to do, our government, if you think it would be capable of that sort of action?
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There are two options:
It was Russia or it was the UK, because only a government could realistically have done this. Nothing else enters the frame.
So therefore ...
As for over-reaction, it is nothing of the sort. If anything it's an under-reaction.
Russia has form with chemical and biological weapons: this class of agent was designed to circumvent weapons treaties on a technicality. They have covered for literally hundreds of chemical attacks by the regime in Syria: they plainly secretly allowed Assad to keep stocks of his chemical weapons after promising to get him to dispose of them. Now they run the risk of the OPCW demanding access to their laboratories.
Not sure people realise just how serious this was: it was, by the look of it, only by chance (albeit it a good one) that the intended victim was the eventual target. Anyone could have come in contact with this agent, looking at the way it was apparently deployed.
It was Russia or it was the UK, because only a government could realistically have done this. Nothing else enters the frame.
So therefore ...
As for over-reaction, it is nothing of the sort. If anything it's an under-reaction.
Russia has form with chemical and biological weapons: this class of agent was designed to circumvent weapons treaties on a technicality. They have covered for literally hundreds of chemical attacks by the regime in Syria: they plainly secretly allowed Assad to keep stocks of his chemical weapons after promising to get him to dispose of them. Now they run the risk of the OPCW demanding access to their laboratories.
Not sure people realise just how serious this was: it was, by the look of it, only by chance (albeit it a good one) that the intended victim was the eventual target. Anyone could have come in contact with this agent, looking at the way it was apparently deployed.
"Why would a country use such an unusual way to try and get rid of one of their fellow citizens, when it would point directly back to them."
On the face of it, a good question, but almost certainly they want the intended victimes to be in no doubt of the threat. Hand in hand with the implausible denials on Russian state TV have been open threats to "traitors": "don't come to England: it isn't safe": only a fool would think that there is not a thinly veiled threat there.
"The fact that the place of administering this lethal product is on the doorstep to our own chemical research establishment, is also questionable. "
Well, that makes no sense, but if what you actually mean is "the fact that it happened so close to Porton Down is suspicious" well, I think that is actually the very bad luck of the Russians.
On the face of it, a good question, but almost certainly they want the intended victimes to be in no doubt of the threat. Hand in hand with the implausible denials on Russian state TV have been open threats to "traitors": "don't come to England: it isn't safe": only a fool would think that there is not a thinly veiled threat there.
"The fact that the place of administering this lethal product is on the doorstep to our own chemical research establishment, is also questionable. "
Well, that makes no sense, but if what you actually mean is "the fact that it happened so close to Porton Down is suspicious" well, I think that is actually the very bad luck of the Russians.
No one has come up with a logical reason why Russia chose this way to get rid of someone who had upset them.
Knowing of the number of gun and knife murders that take place almost on a daily basis, and the perpetrators never seem to get caught, why didn't Russia use these time proven ways of elimination.
No if it is really Russia's fault, then they have transported a dangerous chemical substance all the way from Russia, provided an assassin to carry out this dastardly deed at a risk to himself and made sure it was placed where the ex-spy would come in contact with it.
They just might as well have sent Theresa May a card with the words "From Russia With Love"
Knowing of the number of gun and knife murders that take place almost on a daily basis, and the perpetrators never seem to get caught, why didn't Russia use these time proven ways of elimination.
No if it is really Russia's fault, then they have transported a dangerous chemical substance all the way from Russia, provided an assassin to carry out this dastardly deed at a risk to himself and made sure it was placed where the ex-spy would come in contact with it.
They just might as well have sent Theresa May a card with the words "From Russia With Love"
AOG I think that is exactly what they DID do!
Unlikely as it might seem, all other explanations are several times more unlikely.
Putin knows he did it, we know he did it, and knows we know we did it. He thinks we can't "prove" it and he may well be right. The sheer recklessness (and actually, incompetence as well, because plainly they made a mess of it, as they did with Litvinenko) suggests to me criminal arrogance, but given we are dealing with arrogant criminals here, maybe to be expected.
Unlikely as it might seem, all other explanations are several times more unlikely.
Putin knows he did it, we know he did it, and knows we know we did it. He thinks we can't "prove" it and he may well be right. The sheer recklessness (and actually, incompetence as well, because plainly they made a mess of it, as they did with Litvinenko) suggests to me criminal arrogance, but given we are dealing with arrogant criminals here, maybe to be expected.
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