How Can Labour Lance This Boil?......do They Want To? .....what Now For Labour?

[ToraToraTora]

COB's meeting with Jewish leaders has been "disappointing". Should Labour now expel all the anti semites to clean up the party or should they simply be honest with the electorate and declare that they are infected with anti semitism and leave it up to the voters?

[sp1814]

youngmafbog.

I concur.

The next time I pull someone up for grammar (it’s normally, and unfairly AOG), you are free to post a link to this thread.

[dannyk13]

Gromit, ignoring the E-mail.Did you listen to the speech?

[Gromit]

dannyk13

Just listened to it. The two MPs were not accusing Labour Party members of anti semitism, the were accusing people in the country of being anti semitic. I have no doubt their are many Jew haters to be found in a country of 60 million, but it is not a wide spread problem in Labour.
The anti semitism cause is not helped when it is deliberately hurled at anyone who criticises Isreali Foreign Policy and human rights.

[ludwig]

Gromit is nicely demonstrating Labour's whole problem in a nutshell. ie refusing to acknowledge that there's actually a problem, and attempting to create a smokescreen for it with references to the legitimate criticism of Israeli politics.

[aelmpvw]

jewish leaders 'disappointing, a missed opportunity'
corbyn 'positive and constructive'
were they at the same meeting?

[scooping]

This is just one manifestation of the odious, twisted and dangerous 'philosophy' of Momentum, just as it was with Militant. You can't rationalise with the irrational. Corbyn is a disgrace on so many levels. We can only hope, trust and pray he will never be in a real position of power.

[naomi24]

Gromit, //it is not a wide spread problem in Labour.//

Well something’s going on. Dame Margaret Hodge, a Jew and a member of the Labour Party for 50 years says she no longer feels ‘at home’, she feels ‘a bit of fear’, and she’s ‘never known it like this’, and Emily Thornberry, Shadow Foreign Secretary says she’s ‘sickened by the reports’.

[emmie]

as been said leave it up to the voters, they will decide in the long term.

[Kromovaracun]

The only example I have seen of jew-hating within Labour were some extremely racist tweets sent by an unverified twitter account to a Labour councillor in Hendon called Adam Langleben. This is, of course, awful behaviour, but it does not in my opinion substantiate the claims of a party riddled with anti-semitism.

Of course, this is only what I have been able to find. If there are better examples out there I'm all ears.

[ToraToraTora]

you're having a turkish Kromo, look here:
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/labours-pockets-of-anti-semitism-the-evidence/

[Kromovaracun]

I usually hate playing the "whataboutery" card but I think it's probably worth it in this case. It was only 3-4 years ago that UKIP was accused of being a racist party with far, far, far more substantiating evidence of members and even candidates for public office saying openly racist things and having extremely dubious backgrounds. I seem to recall that the majority opinion on AB at the time was that this was all a bunch of trumped-up rubbish based on a few bad eggs who did not represent the party as a whole. As far as I am aware there is far, far less evidence for Labour being riddled with jew-haters - and in a party of 600,000 one would think it would be even easier than it was for a party of some 30,000. I'm not a "fan" of Labour. I've never voted for them despite the fact that they are the closest to me politically of the main parties and I will probably be forced to abstain in the next election. The most I've ever said for them is that I thought they were the lesser of two evils. But I would dearly like to see more substance to this before I jump on the bandwagon.

[Kromovaracun]

Thanks 3T I'll take a look.

[Kromovaracun]

OK, fair enough. There's some extremely dark stuff referenced there which checks out.

I rescind my scepticism. The party has a problem that it urgently needs to solve.

[ToraToraTora]

respect kromo not many would acknowledge that so readily.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Jew hatred is on the increase everywhere in Europe because of a significant demographic change: the more Muslims there are the more dangerous it is for Jews. Ref France (10+% Muslim) where synagogues and Jewish schools have armed guards. Ref Sweden's Malmo - yes, Malmo, famously a safe haven for Jews sixty year before the bridge - now 30% Muslim and half its Jews gone.

Take that fact and this second one: the Muslim block vote is important to Labour in all its traditional strongholds. "Lance the boil ... Do they want to?" asks the OP. " Why would they want to?" asks I.

[ToraToraTora]

"why would they want to?" - Well I'd assume not to alienate their traditional core vote I suppose but I take your point about the Labour party/Islam relationship.

[Quizmonster]

I think TTT often forgets that he himself is a member of the Labour party, unless of course he has failed to keep up with his membership fees! (If that is the case, shame on you, TTT!)
He made great play of the fact that he had joined a few years ago, when the party made some sort of cheapo offer that he felt was worth accepting, albeit for nefarious ends!

[Jackdaw33]

50 odd years ago the Labour council of Newcastle was firmly in the grip of the Jewish lobby. It was almost a prerequisite to be Jewish if you wanted to be selected as a Labour candidate. I wonder what has changed attitudes.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Only 0.1% of Newcastle's population is Jewish now, Jackdaw, while 6.3% is Muslim. Two synagogues; seventeen mosques.

[Jackdaw33]

That doesn't surprise me. The West end of the city centre is known as Little Pakistan.