So Finally They Can Hang Draw And Quarter Someone......

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-44656778
I don't suppose they'll be prosecuting those without tickets that forced their way in, will they?

[Sipowicz]

I see you're still believing Duckenfield's lies!

[jackthehat]

In the face of ALL the evidence, over all the subsequent years you *still* cling to the notion that ticketless fans were to blame.

Good. Someone nedds to be held to account for what happened on that day.

[Sipowicz]

Lies he's admitted to!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-31821211

[TheChair]

An inquest 4 years ago found that there was no evidence of unticketed fans. Still, historically, TTT has never been one to let evidence impinge on his rants.

[vetuste_ennemi]

//Someone needs to be held to account for what happened on that day//

Why? Gross negligence by people working in the public services isn't usually punished. The worst that happens is that they're moved from one position to another retaining full pension rights etc. and in some cases with a golden handshake.

[cassa333]

Ah but that was then. This is now and everyone is open to prosecution.

Was the charge of manslaughter by gross negligence around then? Or is it a law that has come into practice since?

[rowanwitch]

I wish Dave had been alive to see this, he had so much anger about the lies and delays

[THECORBYLOON]

CASSA, folk can be charged only for crimes current at the time of the alleged offence. Any sentence imposed would also follow any guidance that applied at the time. If there was no guidance at the time of the offence, current guidance is used subject to the maximum sentence/fine at the time of the offence.

That doesn't mean someone found guilty to-day of a 1960 murder can be hanged mind.

[THECORBYLOON]

Having said that, the 1991 War Crime Act does allow for prosecutions prior to the Act coming into force.

[THECORBYLOON]

"...prosecutions for offences..."

[ToraToraTora]

Duckenfield is guilty of nothing more than doing a difficult job on the day, sure he made errors but he did not set out to cause what happened. Are we now saying that he is 100% to blame and that the ticketless fans are 0% to blame? Those that covered it up are guilty opf perverting the course of justice, prosecute them.

[ToraToraTora]

"An inquest 4 years ago found that there was no evidence of unticketed fans" - so they all had tickets? Evidence please.

[Arrods]

I'll never support a liar. But if any one of us were told that, if I didn't do something in the heat of the moment, someone would die, what would we do?

[jackthehat]

///Evidence please. ///

Seek and ye shall find......

Have a look through any of these, TGT.

https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/search/?q1=ToraToraTora%2Bticketless+fans

https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/search/?q1=r1geezer%2Bticketless+fans

https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/search/?q1=Thatcherite+%2B+ticketless

https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/search/?q1=d9f1c7%2B+hillsborough

[ToraToraTora]

have you any links that provide any sort of evidence rather than previous AB threads?

[Jackdaw33]

Manslaughter by gross negligence has been around for very, many years. Nothing new about it.

[jackthehat]

Have you looked through them?

I'm sure somebody must have posted the sort of link you are after on any of those previous questions of yours...

[rowanwitch]

Back in those days it was possible that fans had tickets but the entry systems were overwhelmed. I think its a shame that people cant accept that even if some in the group were less than perfect it was innocent people including children who died horribly that day.

Are you a Man united supporter TTT if so you would do well to remember Liverpool's response to your clubs greatest tragedy

[Mamyalynne]

Some myth busting here from 2016, if you don't like the source then try to access the Inquest Reports in more detail.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-35473732

Those of us who had people there don't like it constantly dragging on any more than you do - but that's not in our control is it?

[THECORBYLOON]

'[Lord Justice Taylor] accepted there were "small groups without tickets" looking to "exploit any chance of getting into the ground". But the main problem was simply one of "large numbers packed into the small area outside the turnstiles". He stated categorically that "fans' behaviour played no part in the disaster".'